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DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by flyingpenguin »

oceanplexian wrote: post #232
wongarsu wrote: post #177

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File hosting is pretty cheap. Egress traffic is about $90/TB in the cloud, but around $1/TB in the real world. Storage is in the realm of $5/TB/month after adding redundancy At the scale of Huggingface, that still amounts to a lot load of money. Significantly less than if you did the same in AWS, but still a lot That said, they do have a deal with AWS to make the data available in AWS ip space. Maybe they got some ch…

It's less than $1/TB. If you have settlement-free peering it's like fractions of a penny at scale. Cloud provider DTO pricing is literally the biggest scam on Earth.

My company spends $8,000,000/month on storage and $4,000,000/month on data with aws... In the financial reports we do we round this number away. Make of that what you will

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by stavros »

felixgallo wrote: post #280
stavros wrote: post #249

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I'm on the Premium business plan and I can easily use up my entire week's allocation in two days of coding. I only use Claude for planning, too, the rest is done by Deepseek and GPT. Claude is very spendy.

Claude is about the least spendy thing a software engineer can use. If you can't afford $200 a month, you're probably not working professionally (which is ok, no value judgement, but then being on the premium business plan is a little strange).

There are two Team plan tiers: Standard and Premium. Not sure what that has to do with working professionally.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by bwfan123 »

x312 wrote: post #255
bwfan123 wrote: post #193

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> Are you buying from a provider that isn't listed on open router already I am using openrouter with zdr guardrail which routes to any provider that supposedly doesnt train on user data. I also use fireworks (directly, not via openrouter) which is a provider promising zdr and has a bunch of open weights models. My issue is that these zdr providers dont transparently disclose caching/tokens etc and so they end up bein…

Have you tried Novita? They're zdr and I find they usually have better cache hit rates than fireworks. No affiliation.

Thanks for the input. Let me check it out.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by baq »

ignoramous wrote: post #270
baq wrote: post #267

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So is Fable, I’m asking who is the customer if the thing is free

"The thing" isn't free [0]: It is cheap by US/EU income standards. > who is the customer If no one else, then definitely those that can only budget $1/mo to $5/mo. Probably 100s of millions, if not billions, of the Global South. [0] Free access to DeepSeek v4 Flash is indeed available from providers like OpenRouter, OpenCode, and Freebuff (to name a few), but no ZDR.

I mean, if you're paying this little, you aren't the customer; the service is either subsidized by investor money (best option), the government (which makes it unfair competition at best) or profit is being realized elsewhere (where?)

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by Scoundreller »

himata4113 wrote: post #195
lima wrote: post #123

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Bandwidth is really cheap when you run your own infra

It's not only cheap, it's actually free since if you are not using your 95th percentile you are losing money.

Some enterprising ISPs get into the hosting business because most of their traffic is ingress, so adding some egress revenue is effectively zero cost.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by prism56 »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #216
Bnjoroge wrote: post #60

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Using tokens to evaluate models is an outdated approach. Cost per task is what matters. Not all tokens are created equal

It’s not outdated at all to use tokens to estimate performance, it’s directly related.

But why should I care? If my metrics are speed and cost? How many tokens it takes as a user is arbitrary to some extent.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by Nifty3929 »

dpacmittal wrote: post #91

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How about we hope for Chinese labs to continue pushing forward - and for America and the rest of the world to do so as well.

It needn't be competitive - everybody can succeed more tomorrow than they are today. You win. I win. We win.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by k__ »

pmxi wrote: post #180

I have updated OpenAI's chart[1] from yesterday to include one more datapoint: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731. It's on the frontier. https://files.parasmittal.com/openai_aa_luna_dsflash.svg 1: https://openai.com/index/advancing-the-price-performance-fro...

Haha, and I almost felt bad after seeing this chart yesterday.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by sroussey »

fy20 wrote: post #250
chronogram wrote: post #226

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We'll make sure there will be enough regulations to have neither the electricity to power it or the companies to build it.

Well quite a few nuclear powerplants have had to shut down recently due to droughts... So we are well on the way for that!

1970s design.
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