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Re: Ask HN: Can Apple Ever Be Disrputed?

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Taikhoom2010 wrote: post #14
sandcat_ wrote: post #9

At one point it felt like Google search could never be unseated, then suddenly within six months or so, I barely use it. I'm not saying it's dead yet, nor do I know what Apple's killer will be, but it is hard to see these things coming. If I had to guess? All of Apple's strengths lie around the domination of the (local) personal computer. Top notch UX, best in class performance etc. AI could make that significantly l…

Respectfully, you're wrong here. You may, in your opinion, not use Google Search, but search revenue is growing rapidly, and AI overviews are a much better experience than a consumer app.

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Re: Ask HN: Can Apple Ever Be Disrputed?

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Post by Taikhoom2010 »

runjake wrote: post #22

I once felt that way about Zenith, RCA, Timex Sinclair, Acorn, Atari, Commodore, IBM (especially them), the old HP, DEC, SCO, Sun Microsystems, and Microsoft. In other words, all things have their end.

Yes, but Apple has two-sided lock-in, in terms of a brand and consumer pricing power, as well as ecosystem lock-in through services.

Re: Ask HN: Can Apple Ever Be Disrputed?

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Post by mstaoru »

Taikhoom2010 wrote: post #14
sandcat_ wrote: post #9

At one point it felt like Google search could never be unseated, then suddenly within six months or so, I barely use it. I'm not saying it's dead yet, nor do I know what Apple's killer will be, but it is hard to see these things coming. If I had to guess? All of Apple's strengths lie around the domination of the (local) personal computer. Top notch UX, best in class performance etc. AI could make that significantly l…

Respectfully, you're wrong here. You may, in your opinion, not use Google Search, but search revenue is growing rapidly, and AI overviews are a much better experience than a consumer app.

Heads up, you forgot a link to your substack in this comment.

Re: Ask HN: Can Apple Ever Be Disrputed?

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Post by mirmor23 »

al_borland wrote: post #2

It’s not the consumer mindset, other hardware vendors simply aren’t making products at the same level. I have yet to use a trackpad on a non-Apple laptop that feels good to use. Meanwhile, Apple’s laptops have had buttery smooth trackpads for decades. Every time someone tells me laptop X has a great trackpad and I try it, I’m disappointed. How is it that with decades of opportunity, hardware and software on the PC si…

as a pointing/selection device, touchpad is a degenerate version of mouse, and its ubiquity is primarily because it excels at the constraints imposed by the laptops -- form-factor and portability in a unibody chassis;

case in point - mouse is the first choice in cad/cam/eda/games; and even in the general market, the share of mouse selection dwarfs that of external touchpads; not sure of others, but i rarely use touchpad on the laptop, let alone get an external touchpad.

most laptop manufacturers likely realize this, so they spend the bare minimum on the laptop touchpad just to keep it from being a real turd; premium laptops might fare better, but then for 75usd mouse even a mediocre laptop touchpad ceases to be an issue;

most non-tech users are unlikely to know this, and rarely ever need to be a power-user, hence the mindset hypothesis ;)

Re: Ask HN: Can Apple Ever Be Disrputed?

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Post by runjake »

Taikhoom2010 wrote: post #24
runjake wrote: post #22

I once felt that way about Zenith, RCA, Timex Sinclair, Acorn, Atari, Commodore, IBM (especially them), the old HP, DEC, SCO, Sun Microsystems, and Microsoft. In other words, all things have their end.

Yes, but Apple has two-sided lock-in, in terms of a brand and consumer pricing power, as well as ecosystem lock-in through services.

Several of the companies I mentioned also had this, some rather notoriously, such as Sun, IBM, and Microsoft.

Re: Ask HN: Can Apple Ever Be Disrputed?

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Post by Taikhoom2010 »

runjake wrote: post #29
Taikhoom2010 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but Apple has two-sided lock-in, in terms of a brand and consumer pricing power, as well as ecosystem lock-in through services.

Several of the companies I mentioned also had this, some rather notoriously, such as Sun, IBM, and Microsoft.

How so? None of those were directly consumer companies.
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