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Re: qm – Multiplayer agent harness for work

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Post by jaggederest »

stefan_ wrote: post #39
john_strinlai wrote: post #3

i find something a bit funny in an ai project, written by ai, requiring human-written text with specific guidance to not use ai. " Given that coding agents write most underlying code now, we'd prefer PRs in the form of human-written text. [...] Please do not have AI artificially expand what you'd like to do into a formal proposal. "

Yet the README is generated ("Two skills maintain the boundary in both directions.") and the demo is .. a Mobius strip? I'd prefer if you explain what it is you are building in the form of human-written text.

Well, if they're consistent, the ADR directory contains only human written text that drives the underlying development... Aaand it's empty. Well.

I personally would probably have the readme generated based on that directory as the primary document, probably with another `readme_generation_rules.md` in the ADRs directory, and I would be pretty ruthless about disallowing all the slop-adjacent wording.

Re: qm – Multiplayer agent harness for work

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Post by wxw »

> We take contributions as human-written text, not code — see CONTRIBUTING.md. Describe the change you'd like informally in a .txt or .md file in adrs/, and if we're aligned we'll handle the implementation.

Interesting approach to open source contributions. Closer to feature requests at that point?

Re: qm – Multiplayer agent harness for work

#43

Post by danielrmay »

Interesting to see they shipped an "anti-slop" taste skill:

> description: Anti-slop frontend skill for landing pages, portfolios, and redesigns. The agent reads the brief, infers the right design direction, and ships interfaces that do not look templated. Real design systems when applicable, audit-first on redesigns, strict pre-flight check.

> - *PREMIUM-CONSUMER PALETTE BAN (mandatory, second-most-recurring AI-tell):* - For premium-consumer briefs (cookware, wellness, artisan, luxury, heritage craft, DTC home goods, etc.)... - Backgrounds: `#f5f1ea`, `#f7f5f1`...

> Landing pages and portfolios are *visual products*. Text-only pages with fake-screenshot divs are slop.

https://github.com/yc-software/qm/blob/7f2c916360f1797a8ff2a...

Re: qm – Multiplayer agent harness for work

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Post by jesol »

j45 wrote: post #40
epistasis wrote: post #37

It's fascinating to see new UI primitives and concepts get invented in the LLM era. The sea of creativity makes it hard to even understand most of what each new app does, and nobody describes them well. When I went to the Hermes agent web page, I was left with zero clue about what it did or what it could do. It took a bit of digging to find the right part of the qm page that helped me grok what was going on. I've bec…

AI needs entirely new primitives in many areas.

I think we need a new area of study around UI/Agent connection. It can kinda be done with tools, but I'd we need much deeper primitives to allow the UI to inform the Agent and vice-versa. Right now we've just given up, replacing the UI with an Agent message view, but I think that's just because nobody is thinking about how the two can compliment each other

I've been playing around with using a hidden markov model informed by a UI state event stream, with the end state fed into the Agent as a hint on each message turn. Then the Agent can make a tool call to add events to the HMM. This has been really interesting, but I haven't struck the right balance to make it actually feel good for the user yet

Re: qm – Multiplayer agent harness for work

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Post by freeone3000 »

bityard wrote: post #22
j45 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI Averages, and is inclined to do average designs and implementations, which in some cases might be an improvement, but long term it creates more to deal with.

Hm. If "AI averages," then why doesn't it create an average amount to deal with, instead of more?

Because the “average” developer is incompetent.

Re: qm – Multiplayer agent harness for work

#46

Post by noodlescb »

yewenjie wrote: post #4

Is Hermes the best openclaw like agent as they mention running it before? Also, what are power uses really using openclaw like systems for?

Honestly the limitations/security of it kind of made it a novelty for me. I use web hosted stuff like surfboard now for my llm-assistant work stuff.

Re: qm – Multiplayer agent harness for work

#47

Post by thoughtpeddler »

danielrmay wrote: post #43

Interesting to see they shipped an "anti-slop" taste skill: > description: Anti-slop frontend skill for landing pages, portfolios, and redesigns. The agent reads the brief, infers the right design direction, and ships interfaces that do not look templated. Real design systems when applicable, audit-first on redesigns, strict pre-flight check. > - *PREMIUM-CONSUMER PALETTE BAN (mandatory, second-most-recurring AI-tell…

Doesn’t this just lead to a new “basin of tastelessness” that, sure, looks different from current slop, but is itself just eventually slop all the same?

Re: qm – Multiplayer agent harness for work

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Post by rvz »

Other than the hosting providers, who has made money directly from running OpenClaw in constant loops?

This software appears to be yet another solution in search of a problem designed to burn as many tokens as possible.

Re: qm – Multiplayer agent harness for work

#49

Post by namuol »

thoughtpeddler wrote: post #47
danielrmay wrote: post #43

Interesting to see they shipped an "anti-slop" taste skill: > description: Anti-slop frontend skill for landing pages, portfolios, and redesigns. The agent reads the brief, infers the right design direction, and ships interfaces that do not look templated. Real design systems when applicable, audit-first on redesigns, strict pre-flight check. > - *PREMIUM-CONSUMER PALETTE BAN (mandatory, second-most-recurring AI-tell…

Doesn’t this just lead to a new “basin of tastelessness” that, sure, looks different from current slop, but is itself just eventually slop all the same?

So just an accelerated version of the standard UI design trends cycle (which is bad).

Re: qm – Multiplayer agent harness for work

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Post by ArvidSu »

backscratches wrote: post #17
yewenjie wrote: post #4

Is Hermes the best openclaw like agent as they mention running it before? Also, what are power uses really using openclaw like systems for?

Hermes is huge and packed with features you probably don't need. I prefer smaller one I can extend as necessary, there are so many on github now and it is fun to test them but have been impressed with dirge ( https://github.com/dirge-code/dirge ) not affiliated. I have one reading my second tier RSS feeds and newsletters and giving me news/market updates filtered for things important to me

I'm not contradicting this but offering a contrast, I like Hermes because it simultaneously lowers barrier of entry and shows you what possibilities are unlocked by agents. I don't think I would have the time, interest or creativity to jump into the deep end by either extending an existing harness or rolling my own from the start. This also isn't an argument for doing just that, I might do so in the future, but critically only after Hermes has shown me what's possible and my preferences are developed.
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