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Situational Awareness down 67% in July in AI stock rout

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Re: Situational Awareness down 67% in July in AI stock rout

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Worth noting, even with the margin call, he's still up 80% on the year: https://www.ft.com/content/a0a5e3a7-c4e6-42a6-9a7b-a780422bc...

I'm pretty sure that's time weighted return that's being quoted, and not dollar weighted. What that means is that after he was up 400%, he accepted a lot more external investment. Then he lost 67%. So many/most investors lost a lot of money. "Time weighted" tracks a single dollar invested on January 1 while "dollar weighted" describes whether he actually "created" or "destroyed" value for his clients overall.

Re: Situational Awareness down 67% in July in AI stock rout

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I found a tweet purporting to show the letter that Leopold sent to his LPs - it looks pretty thoughtful and doesn't sound as bad as some news sources seem to be portraying. https://x.com/tbpn/status/2083226453509030285

What exactly do you think he's gonna tell his clients? "Oops haha I'm a fraud"

Re: Situational Awareness down 67% in July in AI stock rout

#143

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SPCX is getting lower and lower, MSFT is currently down 15% in an year, Oracle is close to 50% YoY...

It’s an odd kind of bubble that slowly deflates over the course of a year.

To my speculative thinking the downslope of this LLM hype bubble might be different shaped because of the underlying assets and geopolitical situation.

Securing data center land, contracts, water rights, and execution capacity doesn’t seem like a terrible position to have in a digital, cloud, ML, crypto, and ‘prediction’ heavy future. Especially for the big players who are also cloud providers who might capture big chunks of secondary growth even if they fail in their LLM effort (and ditch the hardware?).

The LLM stuff seems very over priced, but also Ukraine is making a million or whatever drones a year all with a need for ML-powered planning, routing, and terminal guidance. Elons space data centres seem kinda dumb, but in a world where Palantir needs to be tightly in the loop for orbital or near-orbital operations, or autonomous orbital defence... The worse things get in those ways the stronger the long-term positioning of the cloud giants to build or capture critical defence operations and associated spending.

We’ve learned Skynet as AGI won’t come from the tech, so the bubble gasses out. But Skynet as Skynets military is here, now, and the AI/cloud providers own key logistical elements, so the bubble loses gas slowly.

Re: Situational Awareness down 67% in July in AI stock rout

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> What could possibly go wrong A barometer of the mania and one for the history books. A 23 year old wunder-kind publishes a 156 page prophesy with a catchy title which was lapped up by the silicon valley elite and funded to the tune of 10s of Billions. And, not sticking to his lane, the wunder-kind enters the finance world thinking his brilliance translates there too, and he was promptly taken to the woodshed by the…

Wall Street eats these types for breakfast and then moves onto another meal for lunch. Once more sophisticated players smelled blood in the water they just had a field day here. There are many more setups out there like this and there’s a whole army of folks just salivating for when they can blow up more AI over-leveraged financial nukes inexperienced and FOMOed investors have assembled.

If you are going to send fools, they will be parted with their money.

What worries me most, is that people think this guy is some kind of genius.

Re: Situational Awareness down 67% in July in AI stock rout

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Re: Situational Awareness down 67% in July in AI stock rout

#146

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SPCX is getting lower and lower, MSFT is currently down 15% in an year, Oracle is close to 50% YoY...

It’s an odd kind of bubble that slowly deflates over the course of a year.

The only AI-only stocks you will find are Oracle and Space-X. Microsoft, Meta and Alphabet are all reasonably diversified companies that can possibly take the loses without breaking.

The thing about this bubble is that everything publicly accessible is already a step or two removed from it. All the growing, and all the current popping are happening on those rich-people funds the article is about.

Re: Situational Awareness down 67% in July in AI stock rout

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I'd be excited for the show myself if I had any idea how to prevent my portfolio from tanking when this clusterfuck finally unravels.

Sibling comment says "diversify", and I tend to agree. I've seen some shit, man. 2000 dot bomb, 2008, bumps along the way. 2000, I was in tech stocks like everyone else, lost a bunch. 2008, learned my lesson and was much more diversified. Lost some money, but not nearly as much as others. It was amazing watching, say, the S&P crater while our portfolio..just didn't. It just went down a fair chunk, and came back later…

A side effect of keeping a stock/bond asset allocation is that when the stocks tank you'll naturally be overweight on bonds, so you can sell bonds to buy stocks (the dip).

Re: Situational Awareness down 67% in July in AI stock rout

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Say more about how citadel made this happen with their trading?

To be clear, I'm not claiming Citadel created double digit drops in SK Hynix / Samsung. I am saying that as market vol hits, vol traders might choose to make it worse. And when word hits the street someone has a liquidity position, prop traders WILL come and pressure. SA's filings were clear how concentrated they were, and this was known. In this case, Citadel (hedge fund) bought, while I imagine Citadel Securities w…

You make it sound like a conspiracy theory but it's just rational behaviour.

Large amount of leverage / shorting / concentrated bets in a single stock => increase probability of large swings in that stock's price => bigger risk of sudden market moves => bigger risk to market makers => market makers limit their exposure.

Re: Situational Awareness down 67% in July in AI stock rout

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Yes he lost a ton of money. He went from being up as much as you said to up only 80% and getting liquidated at that point. If it weren’t for Citadel stepping in to buy his investments who knows how much worse it could have gotten. The only thing you can argue is realized vs unrealized.

Unrealized losses do not count as losing money (and similar for gains, of course).

Tell that to Leopold

Re: Situational Awareness down 67% in July in AI stock rout

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You’re missing the core story which is that they don’t have a returns crisis they have a liquidity crisis. Finds don’t blow up because they have bad returns. Funds implode because they have no cash to cover their calls and other needs for cash.

But that's not what they want to see. They want to see that AI is a savior for all. The psychosis of what AI is, especially in these comment walls, is unfortunately and spectacularly real. Anyone who's done any amount of investment can see this through the lens of history and I'm right there with you. This is the Lehman Brothers stage of the game and SA could be that "one". But Bro, we're still up 80%! - even WSB isn…

I don't understand what you're arguing here.

A fund went up 400% by making a few highly leveraged, concentrated bets. The market moved against its leveraged positions and it was forced to quickly sell to a rival fund, at only an 80% profit.

Nothing about that is meaningfully the same as Lehman Brothers other than the most superficial aspect of "A financial thing went down fast"

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