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The great wealth transfer reality check

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Re: The great wealth transfer reality check

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What is shocking to me is how can so many boomers still have a mortgage? They could buy a house when you could easily get one for >plant to do a Skip gen trip? I have no earthy idea what this could mean but they just casually drop it in there. Thats how you can tell what social class you were born into. I had a school friend whom's grandparents were one of these in the list it seems. The bought him a 3bed/bath house…

Maybe they all got houses when the monthly payments were affordable.

Re: The great wealth transfer reality check

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many places you couldn't even buy "starter houses" like they had anymore. They wouldn't meet modern building codes. When people do manage to buy a house, it will likely be a nicer one.

It may look nicer, and have more features, but it's probably not built any better. Older homes were built with copper plumbing, plaster walls, solid hardwood floors, wood trim, and plywood subfloors, roof deck, and sheathing. New homes use PVC or PEX pipes, drywall, OSB (basically glued-up wood chips) instead of plywood, laminate floors, and plastic or styrene trim. The only things really better today are insulation…

In California, a big difference is earthquake retrofitting. Older houses often aren't retrofit until sale, and retrofitting is expensive.

Also, I've noticed newer houses (2000s-present) are airier and have more natural light compared to older (pre-90s) houses.

Re: The great wealth transfer reality check

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Ag, so it’s not really “eat the rich” but “eat the boomers”.

Read about revolutionaries, they really don’t care who they eat. Be prepared to be involuntarily labeled a boomer

When certain people are convinced that all wealth and success are only achieved through exploitation, then it's easy to lack empathy and consideration for anyone more wealthy or successful than them.

Re: The great wealth transfer reality check

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Despite TFA coming from Visa, of all places, I found it to be a read worthy of my time. Basically, inheritances might not be as large as one might suspect, and the all that "inheritance spending lift" might already be happening (my parents are blowing my inheritance). I might take issue with the conclusion at the very bottom that GenX and Millenials are ahead of Boomers on a capital per-capita basis. That might be tr…

It is a very good read. And my only difference in option is that I think Visa of all places would be very knowledgeable about spending and where it all goes. They have an absolutely vast amount of information about how money flows in the economy, and an interest in finding out where it will flow in the future, and when.

They have the data but I wouldn't trust their analysis of it unless they release all the raw data which would be to the benefit of their competitors.

Re: The great wealth transfer reality check

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This whole premise is bullshit.

They include the 1% in the wealth calculation, and then exclude it from the wealth transfer to say "see how much taxation is happening?"

If you don't want to include the 1% in the second number, don't include it in the first number.

Re: The great wealth transfer reality check

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80% of the GDP over the next two decades will be siphoning money out of baby boomers (medical care, retirement homes, luxury cruises) before their children see a cent of it. Coupled with AI taking everyone's job, the end result is neo-feudalism where familial dynasties call all the shots.

I had the same fears but even the boomers sitting on million dollar homes are being called “cash poor”. You still need an income. You can only refinance so much, and then you’re paying off interest. If your home 10x’s in value so does your property tax. Some people are paying $1500/mo. in property tax. They need a job just to cover it. You can’t sell the house and cash out because you need that cash to buy the next h…

> If your home 10x’s in value so does your property tax.

This isn't how property tax works in many places (assuming you're talking about supply/demand constraint reasons and not individual property development, e.g. apartment building). There is an overall assessment being raised by the entity (e.g., county), and it is divided pro rata across property owners. In this system, if everyone's property goes up 10x, the amount they pay individually stays exactly the same.

Re: The great wealth transfer reality check

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Gen X and millennials are ahead of boomers on per capita wealth at the same age This runs counter to the popular media narrative of poor millennials, but it makes sense. Millennials rose a tailwind of surging stock prices since the '09 bottom, fat white-collar salaries (such as in tech, consulting, finance), and surging home pries, buoyed by cheap mortgages from 2010-2022 thanks to 14 years of near-zero interest rate…

Let's not assume that 6 figure salary is close to 999,999. In reality it's closer to 100,001.

And when you factor in inflation and increased housing cost the comparison starts to differ greatly.

Millennials have it pretty tough.

Re: The great wealth transfer reality check

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80% of the GDP over the next two decades will be siphoning money out of baby boomers (medical care, retirement homes, luxury cruises) before their children see a cent of it. Coupled with AI taking everyone's job, the end result is neo-feudalism where familial dynasties call all the shots.

I had the same fears but even the boomers sitting on million dollar homes are being called “cash poor”. You still need an income. You can only refinance so much, and then you’re paying off interest. If your home 10x’s in value so does your property tax. Some people are paying $1500/mo. in property tax. They need a job just to cover it. You can’t sell the house and cash out because you need that cash to buy the next h…

> If your home 10x’s in value so does your property tax

If the entire city goes up 10x (without corresponding general inflation), you’ll likely find the tax rate goes down because most places tax property to fund government and few places would quickly swell the city budget by 10x.

Re: The great wealth transfer reality check

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80% of the GDP over the next two decades will be siphoning money out of baby boomers (medical care, retirement homes, luxury cruises) before their children see a cent of it. Coupled with AI taking everyone's job, the end result is neo-feudalism where familial dynasties call all the shots.

I had the same fears but even the boomers sitting on million dollar homes are being called “cash poor”. You still need an income. You can only refinance so much, and then you’re paying off interest. If your home 10x’s in value so does your property tax. Some people are paying $1500/mo. in property tax. They need a job just to cover it. You can’t sell the house and cash out because you need that cash to buy the next h…

> I think boomers thought they would get rich off the real estate and it’s not really happening.

It would have if they had paid off their mortgages instead of borrowing against equity, refinancing and taking equity out, etc.

If you still owe 70-80% of your house to the bank when you retire, it's not really an asset.

Re: The great wealth transfer reality check

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What is shocking to me is how can so many boomers still have a mortgage? They could buy a house when you could easily get one for >plant to do a Skip gen trip? I have no earthy idea what this could mean but they just casually drop it in there. Thats how you can tell what social class you were born into. I had a school friend whom's grandparents were one of these in the list it seems. The bought him a 3bed/bath house…

I've seen a lot of people do can put refinances instead of paying the house off. I recall one friend looked at the deed on the new house he bought (10 years ago) for 250k. The previous sale was for 90k, but we could see every refinance over the years, they owed 235k when it was sold. Probably lived a nice life in between with nice vacations but no savings.
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