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DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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My conspiracy theory is that this is the new space race, and the CCP encourages this to show the world what Chinese engineers are capable of, and tank the Anthropic/OpenAI valuation bubble as a desirable side effect.

Half of the engineers at OAI and Anthropic are Asian, I don't think China does all these for signaling.

What an odd thing to say

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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I'm not looking forward to it, them being strapped for resources provides a huge incentive to develop and release these smaller models. Even if they'd still release their models once they are able to comfortably service all potential customers via their cloud, running them locally would be almost impossible due to their size.

I agree. A meeting transcript posted recently from DeepSeek's founder suggests they're going to reach for larger models as soon as they can, and not look back. The model is already bigger than my machine can handle, though (I cannot put up with 25 t/s after getting used to over 100), so I'm not impacted.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Two (linked) DGX Sparks would do it I guess. Though probably slowly (I'd guess 15-20 tok/sec for decode, but higher for prefill). So ~$8-9k USD at current RAM prices, substantially less if they ever (sigh) drop. Electricity use would actually be relatively modest. But it makes little to no sense as long as API prices are what they are. Except for maybe privacy reasons.

the rational in one’s mind is similar to buying expensive supercar but no driving it daily. owning a few GPUs is a lot cheaper than supercars.

I dunno. I bought the Spark in January and it has led indirectly to paid work.

I don't use it for local inference so much. I use it to learn.

I also use it as my daily driving Aarch64 development system.

Aside it's also very cool what else can be done with unified GPU memory, once you realize you have it...

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Now let's see Dario's price cut.

I think, it's the end of Anthropic.

They can't compete, they have bills. By the end of the year, if they can't react, it's game over.

Maybe US clients could be a little patriotic here, but money is money. They won't give them free money forever.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Sure, companies can indeed do illegal things

But how would the actual weights it be made illegal without violating the 1st amendment?

By ignoring the 1st amendment? The US has a tendency of ignoring its constitution whenever it's convenient.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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It’s exciting that a model scoring this high is dirt cheap. It’s also so inefficient, when they release the full performance numbers it’s not going to be good. One example, it takes about 3.6x more tokens to finish the same work as Gemini Flash 3.6.

Using tokens to evaluate models is an outdated approach. Cost per task is what matters. Not all tokens are created equal

It’s not outdated at all to use tokens to estimate performance, it’s directly related.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Yes, sorry, I went into anti-procrastination mode after I posted. I hope someone fixes it.

@dang is that how we call you?

You don't have to call @dang. S/he automagically appears whenever needed, does the needful and disappears.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Because reddit unironically has better decorum around usage of their upvote/downvote system than HN does. People on HN downvote objectively correct information because they don't like it 24/7. There's a reason the creator of Zig left and gave the computer version of a middle finger on the way out to HN!

You define OPs post as "objectively correct information" even though it is an unknown future event for which they provided zero evidence?

There's nothing wrong about that. Historically I have experienced this behaviour on hackernews multiple times, hence my comment.

Since when have hackernews started to become toxic like stackoverflow used to be?

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Very true. The verses selected come from a tool call. The LLM queries the app for relevant verses. It picks the keywords - so perhaps there’s bias there but the verses are handed to the LLM. But there are ways to control and constrain the LLMs and what the user is presented with. These are all top of mind for me and why I felt there could be a better option than asking ChatGPT directly.

How polished is the experience, I see there is an invite link on the website.

It’s pretty polished but you’re asking the wrong person. Feedback has been positive so far :).
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