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UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by emptyfile »

glitchc wrote: post #214
CodingJeebus wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

50 of the 55 member UEFA states took the floor to express their outrage at FIFA, this is not a matter of UEFA leadership being out of touch. The vast majority of the confederation is ready to walk.

I understand that this is a principled stand by UEFA, no doubt about it. But the amount of money in the offering is too large for the clubs (and their superstars) to snub their noses at it. When it comes down to money, principles are the first to be bought and sold.

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Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by coffeebeanHH »

brunoborges wrote: post #2

Infantino clearly wants to see FIFA making billions so he and many others can pocket millions legally. But the only way for this to happen in a non-corrupt way, given that FIFA is non-profit and therefore requires a lot of questionable operations, is to turn FIFA into a business like NFL / MLS. The problem with that is that it then it is no longer a sport, rather a... business. UEFA letter is spot on.

FIFA can't act corrupt by definition. They removed this word completely from their codex.

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Post by triceratops »

tovej wrote: post #638
nwbt wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every rule in sports is arbitrary, that's not an argument. If you want to do it properly, ask about the spirit of the game, not the laws - and there's clearly a conflict there.

The half time show did, however violate the letter of the rulebook. There is a maximum duration for half time breaks, which was exceeded easily.

The rulebook says the duration of half-time must be specified in competition rules and can be altered if the referee allows it.

"Players are entitled to an interval at half-time, not exceeding 15 minutes; a short drinks break (which should not exceed one minute) is permitted at the interval of half-time in extra time. Competition rules must state the duration of the half-time interval and it may be altered only with the referee’s permission."

You could argue that that this rule allows referees to extend the half-time break.

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Post by pif »

Kuyawa wrote: post #341

First off, fire Infantino on the spot, just the same way they fired Blatter for corruption. This last world cup was the worse I've ever seen since 1978, almost 50 years, and I've seen the good, the bad and the ugly. We all know billions are moved under the table, but money can never break rules and traditions, specially if they don't benefit fans and players above all Did anybody ask the players about the hydration b…

> About increasing teams to 48, now to 64?

I still hope we Italians will eventually be able to participate again, thus I approve the 64 team formula ;-)

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Post by runarberg »

doomboiardee wrote: post #457
fifilura wrote: post #446

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What do you mean that "a state cannot exist without [corruption]"?

Assuming they meant it as in it's unavoidable. We should still be frustrated by it, but I think I get what they were getting at.

When you tie money to power (i.e. capitalism) people will use money to buy more power, and their power the gain more money.

This is a feature of capitalism, not a bug. The system is working as intended.

Luckily capitalism is not the only system available to us, and we can find a system which is not inherently corrupt.

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by pif »

fuddle wrote: post #479
Kuyawa wrote: post #341

First off, fire Infantino on the spot, just the same way they fired Blatter for corruption. This last world cup was the worse I've ever seen since 1978, almost 50 years, and I've seen the good, the bad and the ugly. We all know billions are moved under the table, but money can never break rules and traditions, specially if they don't benefit fans and players above all Did anybody ask the players about the hydration b…

Unfortunately they are needed now. "The 2026 FIFA World Cup was the hottest World Cup since the competition began in 1930. A Guardian analysis found that close to 20 percent of matches were played under heat and humidity conditions that FIFPRO, the players' union, has flagged as dangerous enough to warrant delaying or postponing play. Some 20 games were played at wet bulb globe temperatures that hit or exceeded 28 de…

OK, just forbid commencial during those 3-minute breaks. Have some other kind of entertainment organised.

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Post by dpark »

opinologo wrote: post #487
Fnoord wrote: post #473

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Messi should've gotten red in the Algeria match (same ref who didn't have the balls to give star player a card, was doing the finals). Against England, Argentina were playing rugby again, and the ref just let it pass. Against Egypt, Egypt got a goal disqualified which.. was a goal. Against Switzerland, a rule of identity mismatch was used wrongly (it can only be applied on same team). Argentina was lucky to end the f…

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Dude, this is gross. Stop calling people racist for disagreeing with you about Argentina. It’s not racism to call out concerns about Argentina’s play or reffing bias.

You should be embarrassed to repeatedly resort to ad hominem attacks like this.

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Post by ratelimitsteve »

le-mark wrote: post #616
bornfreddy wrote: post #586

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You know how it is: 10k here, 30k there... and there is a few M in a swiss bank account (or whatever the modern hiding place is).

Who would have thought crypto/btc prime use would be corruption (bribery, ransoms, influence, extortion)? A lot I wager.

the crypto hater mantra from day one was "this is just for drugs, bribery and money laundering". the only word I object to in that statement is "just".

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Post by p91paul »

runarberg wrote: post #645
doomboiardee wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming they meant it as in it's unavoidable. We should still be frustrated by it, but I think I get what they were getting at.

When you tie money to power (i.e. capitalism) people will use money to buy more power, and their power the gain more money. This is a feature of capitalism, not a bug. The system is working as intended. Luckily capitalism is not the only system available to us, and we can find a system which is not inherently corrupt.

I think that's not capitalism, that's human nature. On every possible power structure you can think of, there will be people available to compromise on their moral principles if given the right incentives to do so. Under capitalism that's easily money, under other systems it might be something else. You can work to mitigate or detect and deter it (the amount of effort put on that is what makes the difference between limited and widespread corruption). You cannot hope to eliminate it entirely.
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