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Doesn’t work anymore because people would just have ChatGPT generate their reviews and get paid for doing nothing.

So in sum: - it did not work before because greed - will not work anymore because AI Is human science dead?

That should be will not work anymore because of greed.

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People should get paid for reviewing. That’s the solution. Publishing companies rack in billions of dollars in pure profit exploring free labor. Once people actually get paid for reviewing, it becomes much faster and higher quality and you won’t need AI triage.

Alternatively, put the pressure on the incoming requests for review. Pay a deposit to have your work reviewed, if it's accepted as a good faith submission, the deposit is returned minus a minimal, irrelevant fee, if it is deemed in bad faith, take all of the deposit as a time-waste tax. With enough cases going wrong, the flood of slop slows down and maintainers have to pull the trigger as often. This was the solution…

Isn’t that an incentive for the AI under every rock people (who don’t believe real people use em-dashes) to see AI everywhere and get paid for it?

Re: I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both were accepted as orals

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"Consequences and reputations stemming from one's actions" isn't necessarily draconian social scoring. Without a structure for imposing consequences on wrongdoers, we're not a society, we're just monkeys flinging poo at each other.

Even monkeys have society and they tend to only throw poo at those who have done wrong by that society. Monkeys have and try to maintain reputations.

Is it reputation or hierarchical standing or just "power" within the society what makes them not throw poo tho

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"Consequences and reputations stemming from one's actions" isn't necessarily draconian social scoring. Without a structure for imposing consequences on wrongdoers, we're not a society, we're just monkeys flinging poo at each other.

People react negatively to this, because they fear a dystopian society of the sort we've seen in plenty of movies, and rightfully so. But it's also worth pointing out that "consequences and reputations stemming from one's actions" is already the world we live in and always have lived in. Hell, even Hacker News has karma points, downvoting, shadow banning, and the like. There's no such thing as a society with zero con…

this reminds me of an episode of the TV show. the Orville that I recently watched where they stumbled upon a planet that had the social credit scoring system and everybody had little badges with literal upvote and down vote buttons on them. and when your grandma buys you ice cream and you're a little kid you say thank you and you hit the upvote button and she likes you even more because you hit the upvote button then because you said thank you.

and so it was obviously portrayed as kind of you know for the story and it worked and I like the episode and everything but it got me thinking in terms of a society like that of people could probably construct something that used that kind of a system but in a more regulated way and a more humane way and I think that's turns into the question of do we want to try and make this new thing or do we want to try and fix the old thing?

regardless, it got me thinking about some kind of a potential implementation of a formal social reputation system that essentially mirrors what goes on informally now, but makes it visible and makes the actions of affecting somebody's reputation visible.

My basic intuition here and for most things that deal with society or whatever is that Satan lives in the details and infinite potential dystopias and the potential for extreme inhumanity lurks in every crevice and corner. unknown unknowns and shit.

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I have been rolling over the idea of “reasoning deserts” in my head, akin to food deserts. Places where economic calculations lead to only a facsimile of the real thing being provided, without the actual components necessary for human health, wellbeing and flourishing.

I'm from there. AMA

What makes you feel you’re there already?

Re: I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both were accepted as orals

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At this point, in the field of AI research: - papers are written by AI (as pointed out in this article, and as obvious to anyone who spends a while actually reading recent AI research) - papers are reviewed by AI (NeurIPS is doing an AI assisted review experiment - https://neurips.cc/Conferences/2026/ai-reviewing-experiment - and I feel the trend is moving towards AI reviewers whether we like it or not) - papers are…

Idk if we're automating humans out of the publishing loop as much as rapidly automating the production of crap. I had a very similar experience reviewing for EMNLP recently. We are nowhere near AI being able to judge the quality of research (in fact, one might reasonably state that even most humans can't really judge the quality of research). Most things in society are not like math: we can't automate (via verificati…

I think the good solution is to introduce a bit of "shame" into the system -- de-anonymized submissions and reviews.

You'd be less willing to publish ai slop if your name had to be tied to it for years to come.

Re: I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both were accepted as orals

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They are the same thing. The Chinese social credit is mostly about money. The USA money credit is affected by social factors. They are the same.

What social factors do you imagine affect your credit score in the US?

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Re: I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both were accepted as orals

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At this point, in the field of AI research: - papers are written by AI (as pointed out in this article, and as obvious to anyone who spends a while actually reading recent AI research) - papers are reviewed by AI (NeurIPS is doing an AI assisted review experiment - https://neurips.cc/Conferences/2026/ai-reviewing-experiment - and I feel the trend is moving towards AI reviewers whether we like it or not) - papers are…

Human reviewers were not what they were made out to be. They would approve you if you cited them, they would disapprove you if your work questioned the validity of their work.

Re: I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both were accepted as orals

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At this point, in the field of AI research: - papers are written by AI (as pointed out in this article, and as obvious to anyone who spends a while actually reading recent AI research) - papers are reviewed by AI (NeurIPS is doing an AI assisted review experiment - https://neurips.cc/Conferences/2026/ai-reviewing-experiment - and I feel the trend is moving towards AI reviewers whether we like it or not) - papers are…

Human reviewers were not what they were made out to be. They would approve you if you cited them, they would disapprove you if your work questioned the validity of their work.

Not everyone is like that. You will find those sorts of personalities in every field and profession there is, mucking things up in their corner.

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I feel this is a case of "perfect the enemy of good". Looking at the output (scientific progress in biology, medicine, material physics, etc.) the "something" seems to have worked well. Could it be optimized? Probably. Should we completely destroy it and hope a new system will be better? My read of history is that in many cases the new ideas were worse of what they were replacing and it took a long time for a fix. So…

Look into the replication crisis. It has seriously impacted some fields very negatively. Psychology and Alzheimer’s research in particular have been set back decades.

This has always been true for science. We used to think the atom was akin to plum pudding. Models and ideas change though, in light of new evidence. When you stop generating new evidence and postulating new theories given that evidence, that is the real loss for science. Not the idea that we might not have a perfect model of the universe at this moment, but the idea that nothing will improve going forward.
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