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DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by freakynit »

UltraSane wrote: post #29
freakynit wrote: post #27

I will get downvoted, but fck it. The ban on these open models is coming within weeks, if not days. As usual, the excuse will be "national security".

How exactly will they ban them?

By making companies using them "toxic" to touch.

For example: no government contract to any company who uses even one vendor in it's entire chain of dependencies, who uses such open models.

They can extend this further by laying more conditions, such as: any company dealing in this-this field can only use models "officially" approved as "safe". Rest you can guess how easy it would be to get that "safe" rating for such open models.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by weiliddat »

jmathai wrote: post #20
throwaw12 wrote: post #10

If deepseek v4 flash is beating DeepSeek V4 Pro, can we expect new V4 Pro which is on par with Opus 5 in couple weeks (even better if it beats Opus)?

I’ve been using v4 flash for an app I’m building [1] and it’s amazing how cost effective and good it is coming from having always used gpt, opus and sonnet models. It’s so cost effective I can offer a generous free tier since my goal isn’t to make money with it. [1] https://trysojourn.app

I get where you're coming from, and the intent to make it easier for people to find examples and verses, but there's a fine line with LLMs giving you answers, is that it's interpreting it in some form. Doesn't that run counter to prevailing ideology, that you're meant to either struggle with the materials / seek understanding yourself, or have your religious leaders interpret/receive those insights?

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by vehemenz »

avazhi wrote: post #22
yonisto wrote: post #12

Does it already know the answer to what happen at Tiananmen Square? Or still avoiding it?

Western models censor just as much shit as the Chinese models do, big guy, it’s just different material. While we should be pushing for universal fully uncensored models, this comment is lazy and trite at this point. But you already know that.

This is a straightforward false equivalency. “Western” models do not censor in the same way, nor for the same reasons, that the Chinese models do. “Just as much” is not remotely plausible, yet it’s doing all the heavy lifting.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by tyfon »

freakynit wrote: post #31
UltraSane wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How exactly will they ban them?

By making companies using them "toxic" to touch. For example: no government contract to any company who uses even one vendor in it's entire chain of dependencies, who uses such open models. They can extend this further by laying more conditions, such as: any company dealing in this-this field can only use models "officially" approved as "safe". Rest you can guess how easy it would be to get that "safe" rating for suc…

So now the US companies will be stuck on expensive models while the rest of the world can do things much more cost effective.

I'm not sure the outcome would be beneficial for the US as a whole here. But perhaps that is not their priority.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by net01 »

vehemenz wrote: post #35
avazhi wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western models censor just as much shit as the Chinese models do, big guy, it’s just different material. While we should be pushing for universal fully uncensored models, this comment is lazy and trite at this point. But you already know that.

This is a straightforward false equivalency. “Western” models do not censor in the same way, nor for the same reasons, that the Chinese models do. “Just as much” is not remotely plausible, yet it’s doing all the heavy lifting.

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Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

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Post by dgellow »

freakynit wrote: post #27

I will get downvoted, but fck it. The ban on these open models is coming within weeks, if not days. As usual, the excuse will be "national security".

why would you get downvoted, that's one of the most obvious next step
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