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'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by alias_neo »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #168
alias_neo wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reposts is one thing, but the person I replied to was gatekeeping the discussion. If the post is flagged, that does the job of solving that for us, but telling people not to start a discussion on a subject "because we've been there before" is S tier gatekeeping, and that's what I was opposing.

There are some HN commenters that try to do this on a regular basis, either trying to prevent discussion, redirect it or get it moved to another thread For example, https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=ChrisArchitect It's quite strange to submit something that obviously isn't going to get any discussion, this is a _news aggregator_ not a "discussion aggregator", only to see the same commenter repeatedly leave some as…

Totally agree. I don't check HN every day, some days I'm too busy, and I don't check on weekends, there are lots of topics I might be interested in, including this one, but missed, including this one, and welcome it coming up again if it's still relevant/ongoing (like this one).

I'd argue, as I think you are, that the repost rule doesn't even really apply here cause as you say, it's not a dupe link, AND it adds commentary.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by KPGv2 »

mmooss wrote: post #170
KPGv2 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People with my HHI level don't experience any of the negative effects of Republican policies except for the ones externalized to the entire USA. And people without my HHI can't afford to leave. You might as well wonder why people still live in Hungary when it's part of the EU and they could all move to Germany or Sweden.

What is HHI level ? What you say isn't entirely true. Lot's of people are moving to Texas (and Florida), thus they are able to move. Lots of wealthy people go out of their way to praise Texas. The answer is really politics, I think. The most important states economically and culturally, NY and California, are liberal. Conservatives are looking for a flag-bearer.

HHI is "household income" which fits perfectly with your observation that wealthy people go out of their way to praise Texas: because Texas is probably the best state to efficiently make money if you're rich. Property taxes are regressive tax, so they hit the poor more than the rich. Sales tax is the same way. And state income tax is literally forbidden by the Texas Constitution as of a couple years ago.

So you just keep making craploads of money and all you have to do is pay the same federal income tax you'd be paying in any state.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by [deleted] »

freedomben wrote: post #2

VPNs are just tools that sketchy people use for sketchy means. There's no legitimate use for someone who isn't trying to break the law. Allowing these tools let's underage people access porn, and do all manner of undesirable behaviors like accessing region locked content. I have actually heard otherwise intelligent people say things just like that, including site operators who run nontrivial websites. There are of co…

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Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by streetfighter64 »

bee_rider wrote: post #127
streetfighter64 wrote: post #56

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If there's a zero-day in TLS there would be a huge amount of problems that a VPN wouldn't protect you against. Even if you're using a VPN (or just a trusted ISP from your home), as soon as your data leaves their hands it would be vulnerable. Like, suppose I want to send a physical letter to my bank. I can either ensure it can't be opened (using TLS), or I can get a trusted mailman to bring it to the mail central (usi…

I’d expect the mail carrier who goes from the mail center to the bank to be slightly more trustworthy than the one who visits me off in the middle of nowhere. Or at least, if that carrier is untrustworthy, it is a big problem for a lot of rich people who have the time and money to think about this sort of stuff.

> it is a big problem for a lot of rich people who have the time and money to think about this sort of stuff

Because banks famously love spending time and money on IT security... Anyway, if TLS was broken, that would be a big problem for everybody.

Using a VPN to protect against a zero-day in TLS, is sort of like hoarding gold to prepare for a collapse of society, in that it's a very unlikely scenario, and if it actually were to happen you'd have a bunch of other problems that aren't solved by gold / a VPN.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by laserdancepony »

mrln wrote: post #110
red-iron-pine wrote: post #64

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if you didn't roll it yourself you need to assume that someone is snooping on you maybe mullvad is legit but their leadership keeps leaning to dubious causes

What do you mean with "leaning to dubious causes?" I was under the impression mullvad was fine.

The blue haired are upset someone supports political views unapproved by them. It was on here some time ago and a fierce discussion.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

inigyou wrote: post #108
lII1lIlI11ll wrote: post #75

This looks like a very narrow ruling regarding copyright. It doesn't guarantee that EU bureaucrats won't try to ban VPNs that don't verify user age (for starters to make NPCs support the bans, then they will inevitably attempt to enforce some kind of KYC or logging to "catch terrorists and pedos".)

In fact this makes it more likely. Now that a court has ruled that current copyright law does not make a VPN provider liable, the European Council (all heads of state of European countries) will propose a law that makes VPN providers liable for copyright-infringing traffic

Yes, they may just be laying the groundwork for introducing compliance requirements for VPN providers while the concept of VPN itself as a tool will always remain lawful by itself. Same as a messaging apps - they are completely lawful but France would arrest CEOs of businesses around them if they are not cooperative enough with "law enforcement".

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by mmooss »

KPGv2 wrote: post #172
mmooss wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is HHI level ? What you say isn't entirely true. Lot's of people are moving to Texas (and Florida), thus they are able to move. Lots of wealthy people go out of their way to praise Texas. The answer is really politics, I think. The most important states economically and culturally, NY and California, are liberal. Conservatives are looking for a flag-bearer.

HHI is "household income" which fits perfectly with your observation that wealthy people go out of their way to praise Texas: because Texas is probably the best state to efficiently make money if you're rich. Property taxes are regressive tax, so they hit the poor more than the rich. Sales tax is the same way. And state income tax is literally forbidden by the Texas Constitution as of a couple years ago. So you just…

That doesn't explain all the lower-HHI people moving to and praising Texas.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by anon48293 »

soco wrote: post #86
anon48293 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn’t manage to read the entire comment, did you?

"You don't have to eat the whole egg to know that it is rotten." (G. B. Shaw)

You do in this case, since he was quoting somebody

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by KPGv2 »

mmooss wrote: post #177
KPGv2 wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HHI is "household income" which fits perfectly with your observation that wealthy people go out of their way to praise Texas: because Texas is probably the best state to efficiently make money if you're rich. Property taxes are regressive tax, so they hit the poor more than the rich. Sales tax is the same way. And state income tax is literally forbidden by the Texas Constitution as of a couple years ago. So you just…

That doesn't explain all the lower-HHI people moving to and praising Texas.

I'm not aware of lower HHI people moving to and praising Texas, nor have I witnessed it. What is happening is wealthy Californians moving to Texas, driving prices of homes up, and pricing out locals.

I don't even know how you have heard the voices of lower HHI people. They're hardly ever interviewed, and they don't write think pieces for media outlets. They're just...poor.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by 1718627440 »

tiagod wrote: post #128
1718627440 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His whole comment contains a view, that some people, including elected officials hold. I don't see an aspect, that actually hints, that he means that in a sarcastic way(, besides that he is on HN).

You guys really need to finish reading the comments before you reply...

I did, and I still don't necessarily understand his comment that way.
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