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Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

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Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

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Here in Switzerland during some heatwaves they have to shut down nuclear plants too because the river water is too warm and adding warm water to it would kill the fish.

And it's not cold enough to cool the reactor

No that's never the problem, even 40°C intake is cool enough to cool a reactor, it's all just a question of returned water temperature that can be harmful to a river if too high (generally the limit in Europe is set to 30°C).

Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it economically viable to run though? Natural draft towers or direct body of water cooling is used almost universally since it doesn't take any extra power. A large chunk of the powerplant's output would be running heat pump compressors to stop itself from exploding.

Fully closed loop is probably not viable. But I suspect that's not the extreme GP might have meant. If for the sake or discussion we simplify cooling to four options: 1: just passing river water through a heat exchanger for cooling 2: ingesting river water, using it for cooling, then passing it through a cooling tower before returning it to the river 3: pass the water output from the cooling tower directly back in th…

How do these things, whose sole purpose is to turn heat into electricity, end up with so much extra heat that it takes more energy than they produce to disperse it? Can't the excess heat in a closed loop system be captured and used to power the cooling? Sorry, maybe this is a stupid question.

Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

#44

If only there was a power source that would excel during sunny and warm days, huh Then we could stop the nuclear plants when needed for cooling and maintenance

> we could stop the nuclear plants when needed for cooling

Well that's exactly what they did thanks to solar power provided by the rest of the grid, so your snark seems rather unwarranted.

Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

#45
post #18

This is what nuclear power enthusists like to ignore when they talk about nuclear power being a solution to energy and climate change.

Worth mentioning we also had to shut down the largest block in our largest gas power plant on the exact same day due to an unrelated error.

https://www.dert.hu/hu/sajtoszoba/0/141 (in Hungarian, couldn't find an English source)

Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

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This is happening all across Europe right now - Romania, France too. https://www.euronews.com/business/2026/07/13/france-shuts-do... https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/hungarys-paks-nuclea... We keep having folks here argue that nuclear, not renewables are the path to take to get rid of fossil fuels. I have strong doubts - it feels like that doesn't account for the sad realities of climate change.

People arguing for one alternative over the other are usually politically motivated. I feel like you are doing the same. Sometimes nuclear is a good fit, sometimes renewables is a good fit, sometimes fossil fuels are a good fit. Most of the time a mix is the best fit. It depends on what you are optimizing for and what is geographically, (geo)politically and economically possible. All these systems are then built usin…

> sometimes fossil fuels are a good fit

There is simply NO safe level of fossil fuel use.

Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

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post #43

Of course a 1960's design isn't adapted to current weather conditions. That doesn't mean the whole technology is useless, like so many commenters imply. Any new build can and will include cooling adapted to hotter conditions.

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Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

#48
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People arguing for one alternative over the other are usually politically motivated. I feel like you are doing the same. Sometimes nuclear is a good fit, sometimes renewables is a good fit, sometimes fossil fuels are a good fit. Most of the time a mix is the best fit. It depends on what you are optimizing for and what is geographically, (geo)politically and economically possible. All these systems are then built usin…

> sometimes fossil fuels are a good fit There is simply NO safe level of fossil fuel use.

Disagree, it's just that the safe level is around 0.1% of current use (though I don't just mean use of fossil fuels for electricity, I mean *everything*).

Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

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This is happening all across Europe right now - Romania, France too. https://www.euronews.com/business/2026/07/13/france-shuts-do... https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/hungarys-paks-nuclea... We keep having folks here argue that nuclear, not renewables are the path to take to get rid of fossil fuels. I have strong doubts - it feels like that doesn't account for the sad realities of climate change.

People arguing for one alternative over the other are usually politically motivated. I feel like you are doing the same. Sometimes nuclear is a good fit, sometimes renewables is a good fit, sometimes fossil fuels are a good fit. Most of the time a mix is the best fit. It depends on what you are optimizing for and what is geographically, (geo)politically and economically possible. All these systems are then built usin…

The point they are making is that climate change will further push these conditions, so are we willing to build more nuclear power plants, knowing that by the time they are ready to go online this problem will be worse? Or better to invest in renewables which can be implemented today and will alleviate this problem? A mix of both with heavy majority of renewables and nuclear/fossil only to guarantee baseloads seems like the best idea to me.

Re: Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

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post #2

This is happening all across Europe right now - Romania, France too. https://www.euronews.com/business/2026/07/13/france-shuts-do... https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/hungarys-paks-nuclea... We keep having folks here argue that nuclear, not renewables are the path to take to get rid of fossil fuels. I have strong doubts - it feels like that doesn't account for the sad realities of climate change.

It’s the second of third year in a row that this happens. At some point it will be the new normal.

https://telex.hu/belfold/2026/07/31/energia-krizishelyzet-ho...
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