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Re: Bad Apple but It's Traceroute

#31

Post by neuroticnews25 »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #28
akoboldfrying wrote: post #17

Incredible concept and execution! Long, axe-grindy aside: I wish people had collectively decided on some other mostly-black-and-white video to use for this kind of thing than Bad Apple. As a stereotypically nerdy-looking socially awkward male in a world where that is often enough all by itself to be viewed as "a creep", I feel pressured to distance myself from anything that others might interpret as confirmation of t…

> the clip plainly can be interpreted in this way, and that suffices. I have literally never seen someone interpret it this way in the 17 years the video has been making the rounds to tens of millions of people on the internet. There is nothing in the video that could possibly be construed as sexual by any human being with even the most tenuous grip on reality. It would take some insanely misogynistic mental gymnasti…

Girl (woman) is primarily a sexual category in itself, no dancing needed.

Re: Bad Apple but It's Traceroute

#32

Post by tialaramex »

sublinear wrote: post #26
akoboldfrying wrote: post #17

Incredible concept and execution! Long, axe-grindy aside: I wish people had collectively decided on some other mostly-black-and-white video to use for this kind of thing than Bad Apple. As a stereotypically nerdy-looking socially awkward male in a world where that is often enough all by itself to be viewed as "a creep", I feel pressured to distance myself from anything that others might interpret as confirmation of t…

You're not wrong. Until the 2010s, a Playboy centerfold[1] was the most popular test image. Around the same time that got canceled, Bad Apple was popularized for video tests. > And so I long for the day when BA just... goes away. I honestly thought it had gone away. Every time I see Bad Apple, I assume a millennial weeb from the past is behind the demo and I check if the upload date is from before 2020. It usually is…

I don't think this is in the same category as Lenna. Lenna is more like the situation with Henrietta Lacks and the HeLa cell line. HeLa is a cell line which is "immortalized" as a result of a cancer mutation. If you try to keep normal healthy human cells alive they'll just die eventually, it is what they're programmed to do. But Henrietta Lacks had cancer and one of the ways cancers survive and grow is with a mutation which eliminates that "always die" rule. Henrietta died in 1951, but this cell line lives on, used in countless experiments.

Lena Forsén sold her image rights - she's a Playboy model, but not to be used in decades of image research - whereas Henrietta was never even told her cells were being collected for science experiments at all. This isn't Tuskegee - she was given reasonable medical care for her cancer given it was 1951, but she didn't sign a waiver saying "I'm fine with you using my cell line to do whatever you want" in perpetuity.

For "Bad Apple" it's just embarrassing for some people, which doesn't even seem like a big deal.

The other thing which distinguishes Lenna is that it's obsolete. It's a scan of a Playboy magazine, not even a scan of the photo itself, let alone a direct capture of the scene - and it is by modern standards low resolution. Even if you (like modern AI companies) don't care about rights or people the Lenna image is a poor choice on technical grounds.

Bad Apple isn't like that, a substitute would just be some other black-and-white video, probably similar length and resolution.

Re: Bad Apple but It's Traceroute

#33

Post by nyoronic »

neuroticnews25 wrote: post #31
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the clip plainly can be interpreted in this way, and that suffices. I have literally never seen someone interpret it this way in the 17 years the video has been making the rounds to tens of millions of people on the internet. There is nothing in the video that could possibly be construed as sexual by any human being with even the most tenuous grip on reality. It would take some insanely misogynistic mental gymnasti…

Girl (woman) is primarily a sexual category in itself, no dancing needed.

What.

Re: Bad Apple but It's Traceroute

#35

Post by nyoronic »

neuroticnews25 wrote: post #34
nyoronic wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What.

What do you think is the main reason to have a label discriminating men from women?

Sorry, I get what you were saying now. I responded like that because in this thread "sexual" was being used in the suggestive way, in that context your comment was rather strange to me.

Re: Bad Apple but It's Traceroute

#36

Post by neuroticnews25 »

tialaramex wrote: post #32
sublinear wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not wrong. Until the 2010s, a Playboy centerfold[1] was the most popular test image. Around the same time that got canceled, Bad Apple was popularized for video tests. > And so I long for the day when BA just... goes away. I honestly thought it had gone away. Every time I see Bad Apple, I assume a millennial weeb from the past is behind the demo and I check if the upload date is from before 2020. It usually is…

I don't think this is in the same category as Lenna. Lenna is more like the situation with Henrietta Lacks and the HeLa cell line. HeLa is a cell line which is "immortalized" as a result of a cancer mutation. If you try to keep normal healthy human cells alive they'll just die eventually, it is what they're programmed to do. But Henrietta Lacks had cancer and one of the ways cancers survive and grow is with a mutatio…

Both cases sound to me like there is absolutely no moral right being violated. Maybe there's a line somewhere, like you shouldn't copy someone's brain and torture it in a simulation, but this is nowhere near it.

Re: Bad Apple but It's Traceroute

#37

Post by neuroticnews25 »

nyoronic wrote: post #35
neuroticnews25 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think is the main reason to have a label discriminating men from women?

Sorry, I get what you were saying now. I responded like that because in this thread "sexual" was being used in the suggestive way, in that context your comment was rather strange to me.

TBH I feel weirdly compelled to object every time someone raises a possibility of thinking about women without sexual undertones.

Re: Bad Apple but It's Traceroute

#38

Post by LoganDark »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #28
akoboldfrying wrote: post #17

Incredible concept and execution! Long, axe-grindy aside: I wish people had collectively decided on some other mostly-black-and-white video to use for this kind of thing than Bad Apple. As a stereotypically nerdy-looking socially awkward male in a world where that is often enough all by itself to be viewed as "a creep", I feel pressured to distance myself from anything that others might interpret as confirmation of t…

> the clip plainly can be interpreted in this way, and that suffices. I have literally never seen someone interpret it this way in the 17 years the video has been making the rounds to tens of millions of people on the internet. There is nothing in the video that could possibly be construed as sexual by any human being with even the most tenuous grip on reality. It would take some insanely misogynistic mental gymnasti…

It should be common knowledge that in japanese media, young girls almost exclusively exist for sexual reasons. Basically every japanese TV show suffers from this problem ("fan service"), it's insufferable. So kinda yeah in a japanese media filled with young girls, including young girls with animal ears etc, not everyone will agree it's just done to be "cute" in a completely innocent, non-sexual way.

Re: Bad Apple but It's Traceroute

#39

Post by applfanboysbgon »

LoganDark wrote: post #38
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the clip plainly can be interpreted in this way, and that suffices. I have literally never seen someone interpret it this way in the 17 years the video has been making the rounds to tens of millions of people on the internet. There is nothing in the video that could possibly be construed as sexual by any human being with even the most tenuous grip on reality. It would take some insanely misogynistic mental gymnasti…

It should be common knowledge that in japanese media, young girls almost exclusively exist for sexual reasons. Basically every japanese TV show suffers from this problem ("fan service"), it's insufferable. So kinda yeah in a japanese media filled with young girls, including young girls with animal ears etc, not everyone will agree it's just done to be "cute" in a completely innocent, non-sexual way.

> Basically every japanese TV show suffers from this problem ("fan service")

thisiswhatwesternersactuallybelieve.jpg

Japanese media encompasses a lot more than late-night television anime. That you think it can be boiled down to only that reflects purely on your own profound ignorance. The vast majority of this content is aired after 11PM to a niche audience. Imagine how stupidly shallow it is to judge a country's culture as being inherently problematic based on what airs at midnight, because your own exposure is only that.

Re: Bad Apple but It's Traceroute

#40

Post by LoganDark »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #39
LoganDark wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be common knowledge that in japanese media, young girls almost exclusively exist for sexual reasons. Basically every japanese TV show suffers from this problem ("fan service"), it's insufferable. So kinda yeah in a japanese media filled with young girls, including young girls with animal ears etc, not everyone will agree it's just done to be "cute" in a completely innocent, non-sexual way.

> Basically every japanese TV show suffers from this problem ("fan service") thisiswhatwesternersactuallybelieve.jpg Japanese media encompasses a lot more than late-night television anime. That you think it can be boiled down to only that reflects purely on your own profound ignorance. The vast majority of this content is aired after 11PM to a niche audience. Imagine how stupidly shallow it is to judge a country's cu…

I don't see how that has to do with anything I said.

Besides, if I'm so ignorant, and you consider this common for "westerners", then... my point exactly?

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