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Re: The session you cannot take with you

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Post by tcfhgj »

solarkraft wrote: post #9

This is an important article. I hadn’t realized it was already getting this bad. Like a frog enjoying a nice warm bath ... > Most people do not switch their operating system or phone provider every week either. But even if you do not utilize that freedom, it matters because it changes the relationship you have with the provider and the provider has with you. This is why it’s important to utilize your freedoms. Do NOT…

You are building a phone app for open code?

You mean like fossify phone or?

Re: The session you cannot take with you

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Post by cyclopeanutopia »

placebo wrote: post #25
solarkraft wrote: post #9

This is an important article. I hadn’t realized it was already getting this bad. Like a frog enjoying a nice warm bath ... > Most people do not switch their operating system or phone provider every week either. But even if you do not utilize that freedom, it matters because it changes the relationship you have with the provider and the provider has with you. This is why it’s important to utilize your freedoms. Do NOT…

>Like a frog enjoying a nice warm bath... Exactly :-) Call me naive but I think dark patterns are a short term strategy for winning and I'm optimistic that in the long run they will be replaced with those that are more respectful and oriented to the greater good (granted, the long run might take more time than one hopes for). Given that the pendulum can sometime swing back fast enough to be able leverage it, it might…

"Naive" is a big understatement.

Re: The session you cannot take with you

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Post by embedding-shape »

solarkraft wrote: post #9

This is an important article. I hadn’t realized it was already getting this bad. Like a frog enjoying a nice warm bath ... > Most people do not switch their operating system or phone provider every week either. But even if you do not utilize that freedom, it matters because it changes the relationship you have with the provider and the provider has with you. This is why it’s important to utilize your freedoms. Do NOT…

> This article makes me reconsider using my recently acquired Codex sub in my home setup. I never liked that they hide the reasoning, but somehow overrode the cognitive dissonance because the performance is so good. But the inauditability is already a huge problem.

Same, I dislike it so much I've acquired 96GB of VRAM to run local models, but sadly nothing so far, even with that amount of VRAM, comes even close to running Codex with GPT models. I really, really, really want local models to be ready, and things like Laguna S2.1 NVFP4 gets really close of almost being there, when it comes to coding specifically. But still feels like we have a long way to go for local models to be serious general purpose alternatives.

Re: The session you cannot take with you

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Post by stavros »

aidos wrote: post #51
n6242 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the only reason I want to replace Tailscale with something else or look into self-host when have a bit of time during my vacation. They only allow login through a third party, which is a big no for me.

I think you can use a passkey now.

Only for people invited to the Tailnet. To create your own account, you still need a third party.

Re: The session you cannot take with you

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Post by stavros »

wwind123 wrote: post #29
agilek wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet people still go with Sign in with Google as the only login method.

I am guessing that's because Sign in with Google is the least of the evil, as compared to other popular OAuth Sign-in options like Facebook, X...

It's the least evil of the evil options? Why not use one of the good options then?

Re: The session you cannot take with you

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Post by leoedin »

skybrian wrote: post #33

I don’t see this as a big deal in practice. Conversations contain a bunch of junk anyway, so removing it from the context is usually good. In my repo, I have a notes directory. I ask the AI to write a markdown file with what it learned, what work has been done, and what remains. In the next conversation, I can ask another model to pick it up from there. Sometimes I edit the note first.

My experience with long running sessions is that they lose track of what's going on. The signal to noise ratio is often very poor - some models are particularly verbose and spew a lot of crap. The output of an LLM session is either modification of code or a plan or summary - that has the value, not the session text itself.

Re: The session you cannot take with you

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Post by freehorse »

buttavia99 wrote: post #54
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do not.

according to both gptzero and pangram (and anyone that ever read AI-generated text), you do.

It does not read as AI generated to me, n=1.

Even if it is, it does not have all the annoying, low effort slop-tells most ai generated content has, and it is definitely much more well written. That is, if you mean all of that seriously anyway.

I think it is a very good post, esp for 2026 tech space standards. If some parts of it bothered you as AI slop, please share. Usually I can point to several sentences that are clear tells when I read sth as slop.

Re: The session you cannot take with you

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Post by mike_hearn »

dd8601fn wrote: post #12
agilek wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet people still go with Sign in with Google as the only login method.

It’s odd, I just saw my first one of these today. Some former Figma person linked an AI site comp designer. I was going to give it a shot, but the only choice was a Google login. So very weird.

It's not that weird. Building a modern accounts system is a lot of work and people don't like creating new accounts. So it's the path of least resistance for developers and users.

Re: The session you cannot take with you

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Post by rkuska »

solarkraft wrote: post #9

This is an important article. I hadn’t realized it was already getting this bad. Like a frog enjoying a nice warm bath ... > Most people do not switch their operating system or phone provider every week either. But even if you do not utilize that freedom, it matters because it changes the relationship you have with the provider and the provider has with you. This is why it’s important to utilize your freedoms. Do NOT…

I am waiting for prices to get down and in the meanwhile I am gathering as much session data from claude/codex as possible so I can then later use them to fine tune open models. I've built my own session parser/archiver for this.

Re: The session you cannot take with you

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Post by heisig »

skybrian wrote: post #33

I don’t see this as a big deal in practice. Conversations contain a bunch of junk anyway, so removing it from the context is usually good. In my repo, I have a notes directory. I ask the AI to write a markdown file with what it learned, what work has been done, and what remains. In the next conversation, I can ask another model to pick it up from there. Sometimes I edit the note first.

Oh, it very much is a big deal. In a setting where users can switch models easily and with no downsides, market forces will give us better and cheaper AI over time. If switching models is painful (as in, losing part of your context), the providers can create vendor lock-in, enshittify the user experience, and drive up cost. Even if there are workarounds right now, those AI providers have every incentive to make freedom-seekers more miserable over time.

It is disheartening that some AI companies are now setting the stage for enshittification. I hope we can collectively dodge that bullet.

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