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DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Post by embedding-shape »

vladukha wrote: post #57

Where do you guys get deepseek? I'm hearing a lot of good reviews and want to try it with my pi config. from the deeepseek themselves, openrouter, or anywhere else? does it make a difference? [edit]: whoa it is really fast. will take some time to evaluate quality thou

For hosted APIs, it's a lot cheaper to use their own infra, caching seems a hell of a lot better there compared to OpenRouter, and indeed the tok/s seems higher. They also have peak/off-peak pricing, so if you can hold off with your request, you get a pretty big discount.

Otherwise, if you're trying to run it locally, even really low quantizations like DeepSeek-V4-Flash-IQ2XXS-w2Q2K-AProjQ8-SExpQ8-OutQ8-chat-v2-imatrix seem to actually not be so dumb compared to smaller models with same quantization, might be worth a try if you're sitting on a lot of RAM/VRAM yet not industry-scale amount :)

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Post by peperunas »

kmarc wrote: post #65
peperunas wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any recommendations of such extensions for pi?

Recommendation? No. Just go with the passive-aggressive advice "let pi build it for you". :-) To be more constructive, what I did (as an experiencd SWE but a complete noob to agentic coding): went to pi.dev's extension marketplace and looked into all the new shiny stuff. Subagents, mcps, context and memory optimizers, skills. Using the most popular ones (not necessarily the best ones) It was like 15years ago learning…

Got it :-)

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Post by ticoombs »

vladukha wrote: post #57

Where do you guys get deepseek? I'm hearing a lot of good reviews and want to try it with my pi config. from the deeepseek themselves, openrouter, or anywhere else? does it make a difference? [edit]: whoa it is really fast. will take some time to evaluate quality thou

> does it make a difference

Probably not.

But Opencode-Go is a great solution for those who don't want to pay DeepSeek directly (or can't due to reasons)

Selfish referral code: https://opencode.ai/go?ref=R1AJZT4VBX

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Post by markasoftware »

embedding-shape wrote: post #56
f311a wrote: post #38

I've been driving flash model for 90% of my tasks. It's better than pro (for unknown reasons), very cheap and fast. I try to keep changes under 1000 lines and drive architectural decisions myself, barely notice any difference compared to frontier models. The rest 10% is to spot bugs, security problems and to investigate better architecture, which flash can also do pretty well, I just cross check it. Faster iterations…

> Also, it will never complain about security guards, I've been using it to reverse engineer binaries. Maybe I'm using too weak language in my prompts, but none of the OpenAI models I've used via codex has refused to reverse engineer binaries, is it supposed to? I'm sitting right now reverse-engineering a 3rd party firmware together with Codex and haven't hit a single guardrail. Meanwhile, I see people complaining ab…

Have you completed the identity verification? It's much more lenient once you have

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Post by realusername »

embedding-shape wrote: post #56
f311a wrote: post #38

I've been driving flash model for 90% of my tasks. It's better than pro (for unknown reasons), very cheap and fast. I try to keep changes under 1000 lines and drive architectural decisions myself, barely notice any difference compared to frontier models. The rest 10% is to spot bugs, security problems and to investigate better architecture, which flash can also do pretty well, I just cross check it. Faster iterations…

> Also, it will never complain about security guards, I've been using it to reverse engineer binaries. Maybe I'm using too weak language in my prompts, but none of the OpenAI models I've used via codex has refused to reverse engineer binaries, is it supposed to? I'm sitting right now reverse-engineering a 3rd party firmware together with Codex and haven't hit a single guardrail. Meanwhile, I see people complaining ab…

I got an account warning on OpenAI (waved after I complained) just because I was asking it how to root some >10 years old Android device.

Re: DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

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Post by u8080 »

regularfry wrote: post #47
f311a wrote: post #38

I've been driving flash model for 90% of my tasks. It's better than pro (for unknown reasons), very cheap and fast. I try to keep changes under 1000 lines and drive architectural decisions myself, barely notice any difference compared to frontier models. The rest 10% is to spot bugs, security problems and to investigate better architecture, which flash can also do pretty well, I just cross check it. Faster iterations…

It's good but (at least on openrouter) it's got an annoyingly tight output token limit. So if it does get stuck in a reasoning pit, it won't work its way out of it in time. It's replaced the Kimi models for me though.

Try to use DS platform directly - cheaper and better than openrouter, no subscription
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