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Does Speaking to Agents Like Cavemen Save 65% of Tokens? We Test

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Re: Does Speaking to Agents Like Cavemen Save 65% of Tokens? We Test

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Post by zuzululu »

jpease wrote: post #18

Why not Mandarin Chinese? Logographic is pretty compact. Also, this really should be more precise that it’s talking about neo-caveman. Legit caveman no speak English.

problem is there are thousands of pictograms you have to know with ambiguous sounds

i think korean is the best, just learn the alphabet and you can do pretty crazy compaction by dropping honorifics and abbreviation, you can also sound out foreign words ex. 짱깨 if given the right context LLMs should have no problem understanding

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Post by guessmyname »

jpease wrote: post #18

Why not Mandarin Chinese? Logographic is pretty compact. Also, this really should be more precise that it’s talking about neo-caveman. Legit caveman no speak English.

> Why not Mandarin Chinese? Logographic is pretty compact […]

What do you mean? A lot of us already use Hanzi (汉字) or Kanji.

Or are you asking why non-Chinese speakers do not prompt LLMs in Mandarin?

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Post by sparky_z »

jpease wrote: post #18

Why not Mandarin Chinese? Logographic is pretty compact. Also, this really should be more precise that it’s talking about neo-caveman. Legit caveman no speak English.

It would take the typical English speaker many years of dedicated study to learn Mandarin Chinese to a level of fluency required to take advantage of any token savings. "Caveman speak" can be adopted instantly, by anyone (in, presumably, ~any language) with no study or time investment required.

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guessmyname wrote: post #22
jpease wrote: post #18

Why not Mandarin Chinese? Logographic is pretty compact. Also, this really should be more precise that it’s talking about neo-caveman. Legit caveman no speak English.

> Why not Mandarin Chinese? Logographic is pretty compact […] What do you mean? A lot of us already use Hanzi (汉字) or Kanji. Or are you asking why non-Chinese speakers do not prompt LLMs in Mandarin?

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Post by olalonde »

jpease wrote: post #18

Why not Mandarin Chinese? Logographic is pretty compact. Also, this really should be more precise that it’s talking about neo-caveman. Legit caveman no speak English.

Actually, when you translate Chinese literally word for word, it sounds a lot like caveman English.

你不去，我也不去

You no go, I also no go

今天这里人很多

Today here person very many

下雨就不去

Fall rain then no go

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Post by mohamedkoubaa »

jpease wrote: post #18

Why not Mandarin Chinese? Logographic is pretty compact. Also, this really should be more precise that it’s talking about neo-caveman. Legit caveman no speak English.

Pretty seen we will all be speaking tokenese anyways

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Post by cenamus »

olalonde wrote: post #26
jpease wrote: post #18

Why not Mandarin Chinese? Logographic is pretty compact. Also, this really should be more precise that it’s talking about neo-caveman. Legit caveman no speak English.

Actually, when you translate Chinese literally word for word, it sounds a lot like caveman English. 你不去，我也不去 You no go, I also no go 今天这里人很多 Today here person very many 下雨就不去 Fall rain then no go

If you translate English literally (a very analytical language) to a very synthetic language (eg. Latin), it also sounds like caveman spreak
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