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UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by Fnoord »

vehemenz wrote: post #249
antonyt wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP, but I would guess: "hydration breaks" to inject commercials, half-time shows that felt alien to much of the core audience, and various rule-bending shenanigans (Ronaldo, Balogun).

I think your attitude, which is all too common, is that we should do things according to the "footballing nations" without any other consideration for the rest of the world. North America is part of the world. The US itself is far and away the world's biggest sporting nation, and many there see football's informality and cynicism as antiquated and, honestly, embarrassing. The world outside of the US wants to protect…

Maybe look up the name FIFA and UEFA. Given the context, it is very clear what football refers to. Ie. soccer, not rugby or American football.

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by Fnoord »

tverbeure wrote: post #432
xxs wrote: post #274

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> proper "feast of football" as we used to say. besides a significantly more common 4-3-3, I can't think of anything I particularly found entertaining - the waterworks, the extra VARs, the super special offside line. That's no feast. (and I can continue)

Despite all the bad things, I once again loved the whole tournament. Can’t wait for the next one.

Did you enjoy the finals resembling rugby, with one team not playing football at all?

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by Fnoord »

opinologo wrote: post #447
PaulRobinson wrote: post #316

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- The number of teams expanding weakened the group stage to a point of being ignorable - The extraordinary pricing of the tickets - "Hydration breaks" to cater for TV advertising - The US red card being rescinded after a phone call from an interested party - Argentina's free pass throughout FIFA has been corrupt since the days of João Havelange, although his stance was broadly to bring football to more countries and…

Argentina received more yellow cards on its last three games. How is that a "free pass"? Cucurella should have been sent off, same as the Paraguay player for covering his mouth. Fernandez did get a yellow card for a very light challenge that he tried to avoid.. All the Argentina haters need to look at the facts. I expected more from HN.

Messi should've gotten red in the Algeria match (same ref who didn't have the balls to give star player a card, was doing the finals). Against England, Argentina were playing rugby again, and the ref just let it pass. Against Egypt, Egypt got a goal disqualified which.. was a goal. Against Switzerland, a rule of identity mismatch was used wrongly (it can only be applied on same team). Argentina was lucky to end the final with 10 players and only 1 goal against. It should've been 9 players, with a 3-0 score, but the corrupt FIFA couldn't match-fix that part. It'd have been too obvious.

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by stonedivot »

jrflowers wrote: post #464
vehemenz wrote: post #453

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I'm American, so I'm not sure who your comment is for. Anti-Americanism isn't a "gotcha" to me. If anything, it's confirmation of the persistent asymmetry in these discussions. Football (or basketball, if you're Lithuanian) is a massive cultural institution in many parts of the world. The difference is that sports—just sports—are the institution in America. We could look at revenues, but that's far too easy. Look at…

Please talk more about how not wanting things ruined is anti-Americanism

Please attempt to read the comment in depth before replying.

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Post by tverbeure »

Fnoord wrote: post #472
tverbeure wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite all the bad things, I once again loved the whole tournament. Can’t wait for the next one.

Did you enjoy the finals resembling rugby, with one team not playing football at all?

Yup! We had a bunch of friends over. Good times were had by all.

Finals are boring more often than not. You just have to accept that. And when one of the team’s key skill is suffocating the other side, a game like that was to be expected. Only my mighty compatriots were able to crack the code… once.

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Post by Fnoord »

yallpendantools wrote: post #368
dmarcos wrote: post #357

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How and when VAR should be applied is an ongoing contentious discussion not exclusive to the World Cup. I actually loved the 48 teams. It will probably expand to 64 next cup. More people tune in, nice surprises, upsets, cinderella stories. Access and price of tickets has been a problem for a long time and getting worse for every live event. Not exclusive to the World Cup. There are obviously things to improve but the…

I say let the coaches have the right to initiate a VAR review. They inform an official they want a certain moment/decision/action reviewed. As long as the review gets resolved in their favor, they can keep invoking VAR. This would disincentivize review spamming, disrupting play. If there are too many VAR calls in a game, you can squarely blame the ref. Coaches get in the face of the officials already anyway. This jus…

It is used in hockey and tennis, with great success.

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by stodor89 »

tedggh wrote: post #142

Why is this out of the gate bad? Note that this is not taking FIFA to private equity, but creating an investors owned subsidiary to run events and commercial operations where the non profit arm will still own 80% of it. With the right protections it could help FIFA make more money and reinvest in the sport, particularly women’s football. FIFA currently makes 40% of what the NHL makes, not the NFL, not NBA. Soccer is…

> Soccer is by far the most popular sport on the planet, the fact that it makes a lot less money than hockey is insane.

FIFA is (1) on paper, not there to make money, but (2) in reality, obscenely corrupt.

Worldwide, association football makes more than all other sports you referenced, combined.

I hope this is UEFA taking a principled stand, but maybe there's some weird scheme going on, let's see what happens next.

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Post by arbitrary_name »

opinologo wrote: post #447
PaulRobinson wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- The number of teams expanding weakened the group stage to a point of being ignorable - The extraordinary pricing of the tickets - "Hydration breaks" to cater for TV advertising - The US red card being rescinded after a phone call from an interested party - Argentina's free pass throughout FIFA has been corrupt since the days of João Havelange, although his stance was broadly to bring football to more countries and…

Argentina received more yellow cards on its last three games. How is that a "free pass"? Cucurella should have been sent off, same as the Paraguay player for covering his mouth. Fernandez did get a yellow card for a very light challenge that he tried to avoid.. All the Argentina haters need to look at the facts. I expected more from HN.

I expected more from Argentina, yet here we are.

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by fuddle »

Kuyawa wrote: post #341

First off, fire Infantino on the spot, just the same way they fired Blatter for corruption. This last world cup was the worse I've ever seen since 1978, almost 50 years, and I've seen the good, the bad and the ugly. We all know billions are moved under the table, but money can never break rules and traditions, specially if they don't benefit fans and players above all Did anybody ask the players about the hydration b…

Unfortunately they are needed now.

"The 2026 FIFA World Cup was the hottest World Cup since the competition began in 1930. A Guardian analysis found that close to 20 percent of matches were played under heat and humidity conditions that FIFPRO, the players' union, has flagged as dangerous enough to warrant delaying or postponing play. Some 20 games were played at wet bulb globe temperatures that hit or exceeded 28 degrees Celsius (82 Fahrenheit)." - Katharine Hayhoe's newsletter

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Post by triceratops »

monkey_monkey wrote: post #305
tedggh wrote: post #301

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FIFA controls the largest event, so it should be the driving force for revenue but it’s not. But even if you add UEFA the whole thing still less profitable than an American professional and barely surpasses hockey. By the way, UEFA crying about this while they are the owners, regulators and revenue distributors is pretty crazy. It seems to me they are more concerned about not being able to hop on the FIFA deal themse…

FFS this is getting fucking tiresome. Do you not understand that FIFA and UEFA are a small component of the actual revenue of football? They are not all of football. This is not complicated.

And his claim is fundamentally incorrect. The latest edition of the WC made more money than the NBA, leave alone the NHL.
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