I don't think judges and warrants are involved in these swatting incidents. The whole point of swatting is to make up a dangerous scenario where the threat to life is so high and immediate that the police are allowed to forgo many procedures and processes that would prevent accidental injury or death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exigent_circumstance
This sounds like an exception to the third amendment that should be reconsidered if police don't improve their approach to these types of calls. If you cannot prove before you send a whole military to a house that what is claimed in a phone call is actually happening in a residential home, then you should not go in guns blazing.
I assume you meant the fourth amendment, which is the search and seizure one.
Judges are not involved in a police response to a call.
You cannot swat someone without a warrant, they absolutely are in the loop. Every single time. Did you forget the third amendment exists? If police are doing this without a warrant or hard evidence, then that's part of the problem.
Police generally do not need a warrant in exigent circumstances. If they get a call saying a shooting or similarly grave crime is going down right now at 123 ABC street, they don't start filling out paperwork for a warrant, they just despatch units there. Warrants are for investigations, not emergencies.
It also says that he heard glass breaking, thought they were criminals, grabbed a gun and hid behind a door. If you’re going to mention the gun fact, why not provide the whole context?
I assumed everyone also read the article if they're commenting on it, but I fail to see what additional that context that adds; I can't imagine he was pulling it out because it was time to oil it. Police were responding to an active shooter call, and this guy pulled out a gun.
The article suggests that he wasn't aware it was the police that broke into his house, and indeed having called the police and told them he was at risk of swatting it was logical to assume it would not be the police. I am unclear why police decided to coverly break in via a bathroom window rather than the more usual procedure of shining lights into the front windows and telling people to come out of the house.
Real justice when it comes to swatting is multi-faceted. Sure, the person making the bogus call to police should suffer some consequences vis a vis jail time. However, swatting only works because police regularly take a shoot first and ask questions later stance. They go from an anonymous tip about an ongoing crime at an address to shooting up said address in short order without any effort to verify a crime is actual…
I am as horrified by the outcome here as the next person, but what exactly do you imagine police should do when responding to a call about an active shooter where they encounter a suspect armed with a handgun?
They could start by verifying the address of the house they're raiding. Way too often this doesn't happen and the police murder someone because they got the wrong house. They should identify the occupants of the house. The victim in this case had been swatted before and he had already warned the police that could happen. The swat team should have been skeptical going into this situation and taken the time to verify what was going on first. The call they got in this case claimed to be from the victim who said his father had shot his sister and he was hiding in another room. Even if the 911 call had been legit, the police would have shot the person who called for help and not the father, because they didn't bother to identify who they were shooting or who else was around when they sprayed bullets around the room from outside. They should have identified themselves as police. There's no reason not to. They should have at least attempted to use their big boy words before they started shooting up the place.
While I was incarcerated on a bogus Felony charge, a Corrections Officer made a false report to a neighboring Police Department that I had been “bragging about Swatting people” in that city. Totally false claim. Got a visit from Detectives while in my cell. They recorded the whole thing.
The Thin Blue Line is real. I’ve moved on with my life. Mostly because there’s no way to hold them accountable so why try?
They need to get sued _hard_ and lose millions, as well as have cops put in jail before real change happens. I feel sorry for this kid but he's doing the right thing.
> cops put in jail Right. The real justice comes from treating this incident like you would if there were no municipal coffers at play, and simply punish criminals for criminal action.
Cops has to be trained. If they are trigger happy fools and shoots everything what moves, they should end up in jail.
Notice that swatting is problem almost exclusively to USA. In Europe cops will just check what is going on first before bringing the big guns.
This sounds like an exception to the third amendment that should be reconsidered if police don't improve their approach to these types of calls. If you cannot prove before you send a whole military to a house that what is claimed in a phone call is actually happening in a residential home, then you should not go in guns blazing.
I assume you meant the fourth amendment, which is the search and seizure one.
A lot of them _want_ to be able to go in guns blazing and not having to be careful. They're living out a Warrior fantasy.
Many people have fantasies like that, where a thief (hopefully without a gun) invades their home, and they use their gun collection to heroically "neutralize" the invader and defend their kingdom without legal consequences. These are the kind of people who shoud be strongly filtered out from jobs that require carrying firearms. They could enlist as infantry in whatever invasion USA is doing that year, but they're act…
If you just hire cowards or regular people you end up with uvalde. You need crazy people who run into gunfire sometimes.
The best police force is a mixed bag of talents and skills.
I don't understand why more police agencies aren't being super careful with this stuff, especially if they're being sent to a house / location where no other crimes have been reported. It would be one thing if you have a call to a house that's had domestic violence calls, other shootings, etc. Instead, they're just getting a call and thinking, "Oh no! Danger!" and running in, guns blazing. I love the protection from…
>I don't understand why more police agencies aren't being super careful with this stuff
Honestly, having been on a jury, police seem super intellectually uncurious and I suspect that is true at all levels. Since they mostly end up with not being responsible legally, they really don't care.