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Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by RajT88 »

fidotron wrote: post #359
RajT88 wrote: post #220

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It's been said that people who do not have a high EQ gravitate towards tech, because machines are easier to understand than people.

It's been said that people that say this are transparently trying to manipulate other people, which is why the others prefer to cut off all potential for tedious negotiations. This is the same reason people prefer buying Tesla cars direct instead of having to make a deal at a dealership. If they all had high EQ maybe they'd prefer the dealership model after all.

> It's been said that people that say this are transparently trying to manipulate other people

Tech does also attract grumpy people.

The reason this idea stuck in my memory when I read it - is that it resonated with me. To some extent I feel this way.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by nl »

anonymid wrote: post #319
canyon289 wrote: post #211

I'm a researcher at Deepmind that contributed to these models. (And the opinions here are my own) Just want to say, Deepmind is a great place to work and the only (Edit: one the few unique labs!) lab where you can move from large frontier models (Gemini), frontier open models (Gemma), robotics (what you see here), science (weather, biology, more) and basically any other topic related to intelligence. It's really an i…

How are you engaging with the fundamental problems explained in this blog post https://rodneybrooks.com/why-todays-humanoids-wont-learn-dex... - the relatively crude tactile and proprioceptive sensing apparatuses of robots when compared to humans - the limited availability of multisensory, perception-action coupled training data Genuinely curious!

This seems like a post by someone who hasn't really ingested the bitter lesson.

Eg, even LeRobot (without proper fingers) can fold clothes now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPe9v4gqbdg

The labs are spending huge money collecting "multisensory, perception-action coupled training data" (eg, there is the one in NY that gives you free cleaning in return for video data from the cleaner).

Edit: The Gemini Robotics blog post has a video of it tying knots too. That's pretty good.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by ed_mercer »

canyon289 wrote: post #211

I'm a researcher at Deepmind that contributed to these models. (And the opinions here are my own) Just want to say, Deepmind is a great place to work and the only (Edit: one the few unique labs!) lab where you can move from large frontier models (Gemini), frontier open models (Gemma), robotics (what you see here), science (weather, biology, more) and basically any other topic related to intelligence. It's really an i…

if DeepMind is such a great place to work, why have several leading researchers recently left for Anthropic and OpenAI? Are the problems limited to certain teams, or are the reports misleading?

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by fidotron »

RajT88 wrote: post #401
fidotron wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been said that people that say this are transparently trying to manipulate other people, which is why the others prefer to cut off all potential for tedious negotiations. This is the same reason people prefer buying Tesla cars direct instead of having to make a deal at a dealership. If they all had high EQ maybe they'd prefer the dealership model after all.

> It's been said that people that say this are transparently trying to manipulate other people Tech does also attract grumpy people. The reason this idea stuck in my memory when I read it - is that it resonated with me. To some extent I feel this way.

> Tech does also attract grumpy people.

You have cause and effect wrong; it just makes people that have to deal with the people in and around the tech industry grumpy.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by siekmanj »

Geee wrote: post #394
siekmanj wrote: post #301

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I could not disagree more with the claim about no improvement in robotic actuators. The torque density and price of actuators has fallen dramatically since Ben Katz's MIT work on mini cheetah. The actuators on the Unitree G1 based on that work are powerful for their size and near quasi-direct-drive. The motors on the BD E-Atlas are completely passively cooled and appear to have really good torque density. Actuators h…

G1 is a small robot designed for agility, and can't do much real work. That's why it uses lower reduction actuators with low sustained torques, and it'll overheat easily in continuous work. Many of the larger robots (Optimus, Figure, BD Atlas) use higher reduction actuators with strain waves or planetary roller screws. They're designed for higher sustained torques, but are also less agile and less safe for humans to…

yes, for heavy lift and bulk manipulation high gear ratios are still necessary. Maybe someday cable drives will be feasible. No question that we are not at human performance yet or that there isn't a ways to go. This is the specific claim I was arguing against:

> There has been no innovation in robotic actuators since Honda's Asimo.

I believe we are 100% making tangible progress and the technology is improving faster than it ever has.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by [deleted] »

ed_mercer wrote: post #403
canyon289 wrote: post #211

I'm a researcher at Deepmind that contributed to these models. (And the opinions here are my own) Just want to say, Deepmind is a great place to work and the only (Edit: one the few unique labs!) lab where you can move from large frontier models (Gemini), frontier open models (Gemma), robotics (what you see here), science (weather, biology, more) and basically any other topic related to intelligence. It's really an i…

if DeepMind is such a great place to work, why have several leading researchers recently left for Anthropic and OpenAI? Are the problems limited to certain teams, or are the reports misleading?

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Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by slashdave »

Centigonal wrote: post #330
canyon289 wrote: post #211

I'm a researcher at Deepmind that contributed to these models. (And the opinions here are my own) Just want to say, Deepmind is a great place to work and the only (Edit: one the few unique labs!) lab where you can move from large frontier models (Gemini), frontier open models (Gemma), robotics (what you see here), science (weather, biology, more) and basically any other topic related to intelligence. It's really an i…

Important question: how many engineers does it take to teach a robot how to screw in a light bulb?

... we don't know, because this one can't?

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Post by slashdave »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #282
JeremyNT wrote: post #258

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It's certainly an odd situation where Google is on the forefront of all these emerging technologies while the latest chatbots from OpenAI and Anthropic are getting breathless press releases and wildly hyperbolic coverage ("rogue AIs" "too dangerous, must be banned" etc...) Google acting like a normal but competent company that's just chugging away, meanwhile the hype cycle is propping up its upstart competitors to tr…

> Google acting like a normal but competent company that's just chugging away Competent is a stretch. Google's AI offering seems to be, once again, PM led–lots of constantly-changing brands being merged and deprecated with zero customer support or service. They'll almost certainly be one of the survivors. Their technical competece is unmatched. But that doesn't mean they have a great product in the way both OpenAI an…

Don't forget: resources

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Post by nearbuy »

monknomo wrote: post #126
nearbuy wrote: post #113

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Unitree's R1 humanoid robot is only about $6000, and it's still a nascent, smallish scale technology. They will come down. If the future home robots are any good, it saves you from buying a dishwasher and robot vacuum. It can replace a maid/cleaning service and gardener/lawn-mowing service. For anyone paying for those services, it pays for itself. $1000 isn't that high. Probably about a third of American households h…

I doubt it'd save you from purchasing a dishwasher - those things are very efficient and not very expensive. Perhaps it'd save you from loading and unloading a dishwasher

I have a dishwasher and I still usually just hand wash. It takes about 10 seconds to wash a dish.

The side benefit is all your dishes are always available. With the dishwasher, up to one full dishwasher load are dirty at any time, which means you need more dishes and more cupboard space than someone without a dishwasher.

If the robot is going to clear your dishes and wash them for you right away, what's the dishwasher for? To save the robot 10 minutes?

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by causal »

YuechenLi wrote: post #152

Running a full LLM to actuate a robot is way too heavy, the minimum latency they can get down to is probably 1-2 seconds even with powerful GPUs, which is not very useful for practical robotics applications. Machine vision should definitely be handled by ML, but motion actuation should be relegated in the realm of traditional PID style linear/nonlinear control. Again, the tech is cool, but the practical usefulness of…

Well they certainly don't intend to rent you one that works offline.
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