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Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

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Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

#41

It explicitly said in the article that he pulled out a gun. He shouldn't have been swatted, obviously. That said, if you pull out a gun when police are responding to what they believe is an active shooter, the chances of you being shot are extremely high. Additionally consider what would have happened if this had been an active shooting and they simply disregarded the phone call.

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Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

#42
post #5

They need to get sued _hard_ and lose millions, as well as have cops put in jail before real change happens. I feel sorry for this kid but he's doing the right thing.

This guy needs to be compensated for his pain and suffering, his economic losses due to his disability, and for the care he'll need for the rest of his life. Jailing the people whose negligence is responsible for his injuries doesn't help him.

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

#43
post #35

It explicitly said in the article that he pulled out a gun. He shouldn't have been swatted, obviously. That said, if you pull out a gun when police are responding to what they believe is an active shooter, the chances of you being shot are extremely high. Additionally consider what would have happened if this had been an active shooting and they simply disregarded the phone call.

I suspect he pulled it out because he heard someone breaking into his house.

From TFA:

> Melendez did grab a "legal, registered" gun once he heard the glass shatter, Sethi said, but he ducked behind a partially closed door.

> He believed someone connected to the hackers was breaking in, Sethi added.

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

#44

I don't understand why more police agencies aren't being super careful with this stuff, especially if they're being sent to a house / location where no other crimes have been reported. It would be one thing if you have a call to a house that's had domestic violence calls, other shootings, etc. Instead, they're just getting a call and thinking, "Oh no! Danger!" and running in, guns blazing. I love the protection from…

A lot of them _want_ to be able to go in guns blazing and not having to be careful. They're living out a Warrior fantasy.

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

#45

It explicitly said in the article that he pulled out a gun. He shouldn't have been swatted, obviously. That said, if you pull out a gun when police are responding to what they believe is an active shooter, the chances of you being shot are extremely high. Additionally consider what would have happened if this had been an active shooting and they simply disregarded the phone call.

No. You are beyond wrong. Personal firearm ownership is a constitutionally protected right, just as protection from unreasonable search (as this was). Arming oneself when someone breaks into your house is beyond reasonable. Police should expect residents to be armed and shouldn't be breaking into residences.

And please, stop blaming the victim.

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

#46

I don't understand why more police agencies aren't being super careful with this stuff, especially if they're being sent to a house / location where no other crimes have been reported. It would be one thing if you have a call to a house that's had domestic violence calls, other shootings, etc. Instead, they're just getting a call and thinking, "Oh no! Danger!" and running in, guns blazing. I love the protection from…

There is something like 50 million police-public encounters annually. Stuff like this is exceedingly rare. So while Pima PD should be held responsible, and those cops should face criminal charges, it's logically non-nonsensical for this to make you terrified of police (or the other 5-10 similar stories annually). I mean cars are genocidal military dictators by comparison. The downstream effect of this is people doing…

There are hundreds of billions of person-to-person encounters annually and almost all of them end just fine, yet people feel the need to:

1. Come up with a beautiful story about how they need to have guns to defend themselves.

2. Come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who improperly uses violence in such encounters.

Encountering a cop is one of the most dangerous 'mundane' things that can happen to you. ~One in 50,000 encounters ends with someone dead.

Going on 50,000 drives is unlikely to send you to the morgue.

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

#47
post #42
post #5

They need to get sued _hard_ and lose millions, as well as have cops put in jail before real change happens. I feel sorry for this kid but he's doing the right thing.

This guy needs to be compensated for his pain and suffering, his economic losses due to his disability, and for the care he'll need for the rest of his life. Jailing the people whose negligence is responsible for his injuries doesn't help him.

By that logic we shouldn't lock up murderers either. After all, it won't help the person who's already dead.

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

#48
post #24

There needs to be insurance for police, just like there is for doctors. Once an individual cop has repeated judgements against them they won’t be insurable, instead of the current result of them moving to a different city.

I think judges are often overlooked, they are the barrier stopping an internet troll from sending a small military on to your property on a whim. Too many false swatting should lead to a judge mandatorily stepping down, especially if there are casualties.

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

#49
post #16

It really seems like something that could be fixed with proper training and protocol, when police forces the world over don't have this issue.

It's a problem elsewhere too, albeit less violent, you just don't hear about it.

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Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

#50

It explicitly said in the article that he pulled out a gun. He shouldn't have been swatted, obviously. That said, if you pull out a gun when police are responding to what they believe is an active shooter, the chances of you being shot are extremely high. Additionally consider what would have happened if this had been an active shooting and they simply disregarded the phone call.

> It explicitly said in the article that he pulled out a gun. A gun that he legally owned and had every right to have on his person as an unknown individual was breaking into his home. If police don't identify themselves they should expect an armed population to meet them with guns in hand. It's their responsibility to assess the situation, understand who the occupants are, and respond appropriately. Smashing a bedro…

Good to see HN has changed their tune on gun ownership and defense. Until we see bodycam footage we're all basing our opinions entirely on what his lawyer is saying. Video will come out with a FOIA, but everyone will have moved on.
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