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UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by bwnkl »

bl0b wrote: post #241
t0mpr1c3 wrote: post #221

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Yes, it's a stretch to believe that UEFA is objecting strictly on a point of principle. UEFA seems to think people have forgotten that they tried to buy off top teams from the national organizations into a European super league. In effect they did it anyway with CL.

The super league wasn't UEFA's doing at all. The top clubs themselves tried to break away and self-organize, and they ultimately won some concessions from UEFA (new CL format, more CL money to the big teams)

I think they meant the original idea of the European Super League from the 1980s (that preceded the Champions League)

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Post by jamesblonde »

runarberg wrote: post #270
conradfr wrote: post #218

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While the football business is horrible it's nice that this may fail like the Super League. Now if only that could put a dent in Infantino reelection...

I am not sure a replacement for Infantino is enough. It seems like FIFA has a culture of corruption and Infantino is merely the latest manifestation of said culture. Some serious reform and restructuring seem needed.

Fifa is a reflection of the world. All members (nations) get a vote. Most countries are corrupt. Thank go there is still a bastion of democracy/fairness left in Uefa.

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Post by xxs »

dmarcos wrote: post #273
nkg wrote: post #252

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First, it was a new formula of the tournament with more teams which explains the headlines about a someone setting a new record every 2 days. Second, the hydration (ads!) breaks were clearly used to tweak some tactics, player positionning, etc, making it another half-time. It's a strategic opportunity. Why not introduce a 2 min drill, then ? - yuck- That's not football. Third, I won't talk about that specific red car…

The 27 min half time was only in the final. Every world cup introduces changes that will stick or not (e.g golden goal rule). Hydration breaks probably won’t stay. I’ve followed the sport all my life and referee complains I would say less than usual. I like having more teams. Might even extend to 64 next time. These are difference of opinion. Nothing singles out this world cup as a “shit show” as the OP. It was a gre…

>Hydration breaks probably won’t stay.

It was already introduced in the local women league...

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Post by tzs »

another-dave wrote: post #220
antonyt wrote: post #101

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Not OP, but I would guess: "hydration breaks" to inject commercials, half-time shows that felt alien to much of the core audience, and various rule-bending shenanigans (Ronaldo, Balogun).

The fact that you had 'hydration breaks' in enclosed, fully air-conditioned stadiums is very telling.

An argument I've heard is that since hydration breaks can affect the game, if you are going to have them they should be mandatory and at the same time in all games in a tournament rather than doing them like they did when they were originally introduced in 2014. Then they were only done in games when the conditions on the field got dangerous.

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Post by RAM-bunctious »

tedggh wrote: post #183
jotajota24 wrote: post #157

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Why is it bad to sell 20% of the biggest tournament in the world to a private company lead by people involved with the most corrupt administration in the history of the US? The model has been working fine for decades, why does it matter that it makes less than american sports?

The most beloved, most watched sport in the world making less than the American/Canadian hockey league is a commercial failure. Non profits are generally inefficient at running businesses. With the right guardrails a private arm that knows how to run a business could help FIFA make a ton of money. And yes a lot of rich guys will become even richer too, so what?

But FIFA is the governing body of a sport, not a business.

Hearing you say this is like hearing someone say that the United Nations is a commercial failure.

Its purpose is to regulate and administer international football on behalf of its member associations, enforce compliance with its regulations, organise international competitions to relieve the member associations of the hassle, administer anti-doping programmes and related integrity measures (lol), and, through its membership of IFAB, help determine and promote the consistent application of the Laws of the Game worldwide. Its revenues only exist to support those functions.

Is there a need for it to have profit motive? Would the world be better if it decided it should have one? I don't see how the answer could be yes to either question.

The mention of guardrails is a little Onion-esque given the organisation and people in question

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Post by skywhopper »

Vinnl wrote: post #248
madradavid wrote: post #208

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CONCACAF join UEFA and reject FIFA's World Cup sell-off plan. https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/49488584/uefa-boycott... . By the end of this Gianni Infantino will only be left with the Africans .I am African and these Federations will do anything to keep him around because of the unprecedented amounts of corruption...

CONCACAF statement: https://www.concacaf.com/competitions/concacaf/news/statemen...

This statement is weak and wishy-washy compared to the blunt UEFA statement. Kudos to Europe. Here’s hoping CONCACAF can get brave enough to take the moral stance as well.

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Post by skywhopper »

worik wrote: post #264
madradavid wrote: post #208

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CONCACAF join UEFA and reject FIFA's World Cup sell-off plan. https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/49488584/uefa-boycott... . By the end of this Gianni Infantino will only be left with the Africans .I am African and these Federations will do anything to keep him around because of the unprecedented amounts of corruption...

> unprecedented amounts of corruption... Yes I hear about that a lot. Yuk But I also hear that FIFA puts a lot of resources into developing the game in African countries. I am asking: Is that true in your experience?

Who told you that? FIFA?

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Post by [deleted] »

jen20 wrote: post #247
t0mpr1c3 wrote: post #177

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Yes, and when Blatter was investigated for corruption both he and Platini, president of UEFA, were banned. This was barely 10 years ago, it's not ancient history. Platini is still suing Infantino now.

In even more recent history, both were cleared by a court of wrongdoing [1]. Infantino is clearly worse in every respect. [1]: https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/44397617/ex-fifa-chie...

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Post by t0mpr1c3 »

jen20 wrote: post #247
t0mpr1c3 wrote: post #177

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Yes, and when Blatter was investigated for corruption both he and Platini, president of UEFA, were banned. This was barely 10 years ago, it's not ancient history. Platini is still suing Infantino now.

In even more recent history, both were cleared by a court of wrongdoing [1]. Infantino is clearly worse in every respect. [1]: https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/44397617/ex-fifa-chie...

Who can decide the precedence of a louse and a flea?
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