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Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by traes »

jameshart wrote: post #337
traes wrote: post #249

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I have personally never met someone with a personal robotic lawnmower, and I suspect that if you have you live in a bubble that is severely biasing your view of the average American.

A product doesn’t need to appeal to or reach the average American to be a viable product.

Perhaps not, but I interpreted it as an intended counterexample to the GP's claim

> You'd have a hard time convincing most American families to purchase anything with a >$1000 price tag...

Which I am skeptical of.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by Frannky »

canyon289 wrote: post #211

I'm a researcher at Deepmind that contributed to these models. (And the opinions here are my own) Just want to say, Deepmind is a great place to work and the only (Edit: one the few unique labs!) lab where you can move from large frontier models (Gemini), frontier open models (Gemma), robotics (what you see here), science (weather, biology, more) and basically any other topic related to intelligence. It's really an i…

Working there feels like a trap.

Why work there when you can start a company? You get to choose the problem you care about most, the people you work with, and your own pace—and if it works, you own the success.

Why accept all the rules Google will force on you, are those rules optimized for you or for them?

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Post by alexashka »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #219
andsoitis wrote: post #55

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If all goes well, imagine a world in which you work because you want to not because you have to.

I'm really curious - are the people who keep saying this in denial or lacking in a basic education in economics? You can imagine all you want, but this is absolutely not a possible outcome.

You are using 'basic' economics to predict the future with 'absolute' certainty?

Rhetorical.

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by boelboel »

gretch wrote: post #334
kibwen wrote: post #191

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Even being able to simply do the task isn't enough here. It also has to do the task while also never, ever, ever accidentally folding your toddler as though it were a towel. Having industrial-strength robots around inherently unpredictable humans in a fail-safe way is an extremely difficult problem that will not be addressed any time soon.

This is not the bar for societal adoption, and we can already see a demonstration that it is false. A waymo is basically an industrial strength robot. It operates among inherently unpredictable humans already. There is no guarantee that it will never, ever hurt a human. And yet in many cities around the world, you can call a waymo and ride it and society accepts it.

Waymo will have existed for ~25 years by the time it'll be available in most US cities, that's a long while.

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Post by drivebyhooting »

canyon289 wrote: post #211

I'm a researcher at Deepmind that contributed to these models. (And the opinions here are my own) Just want to say, Deepmind is a great place to work and the only (Edit: one the few unique labs!) lab where you can move from large frontier models (Gemini), frontier open models (Gemma), robotics (what you see here), science (weather, biology, more) and basically any other topic related to intelligence. It's really an i…

How do I reliably apply? And is there a remote role?

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Post by BeetleB »

freakynit wrote: post #187
hexeater wrote: post #146

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And protein folding + Nobel Prize

And AlphaGo Zero .. probably the first real-world deployment of a self-improving system that beat humans.

> probably the first real-world deployment of a self-improving system that beat humans.

Isn't that Checkers right from the dawn of reinforcement learning?

Re: Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by supern0va »

qurren wrote: post #271
supern0va wrote: post #266

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> For homes, it's a very different bar. You'd have a hard time convincing most American families to purchase anything with a >$1000 price tag. There are plenty of white collar employees in cities paying $500+/month for someone to come clean their home. As one of those people, I could easily see paying low five figures for something like this if it actually worked well and could replace most household labor.

Most consumers don't think like that. Businesses do. Part of the reason is upfront commitment is scary and risky for personal money, but not scary for a business.

Most consumers? Sure. Upper middle class consumers? They're the sort more likely to buy cars with cash if they're dissatisfied with the value of the financing offered.

As with most things, it'll cater to that demographic and then filter down.

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Post by tartoran »

jaccola wrote: post #151
qurren wrote: post #40

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I'm bearish that they'll be economically viable in the house for a very long time. For businesses the bar for adoption is very low: If the thing can work repetitive jobs for 24 hours a day and replace 3 shifts, the purchase bar is nominally anything less than 3 x human salary if your budgeting horizon is 1 year. That's a high number, and probably fairly easy to achieve. For homes, it's a very different bar. You'd hav…

Another huge blocker (that is essentially just cost too) is maintenance. These things are like 1000x more complex than a car, need to work in a diverse range of environments, handle water, household chemicals, different humidities, kids, etc… maybe eventually robots will service robots but that seems very hard! And talking of kids, these will have to be exceedingly safe, a 6ft machine falling on a child is probably a…

We'll probably get there in some shape or from but I agree, we're absolutely not there yet. I don't see humanoid robots normalized in households anytime soon but at the same time they'll probably be a thing outside the home.

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Post by IanCal »

BodyCulture wrote: post #329
soulofmischief wrote: post #309

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Google wins on infrastructure and creativity (NotebookLM, etc) but entirely lacks product coherence. The ecosystem is a mess, just like Microsoft's offering, and I don't think this is a coincidence but rather a symptom of the type of company in which these two companies have evolved. Furthermore, Gemini is just all around a less trustworthy and mature model, for many reasons. Very smart but lacking the precision and…

Everything would be perfect if only you were CEO of both companies!

I can say a portrait doesn’t look like a person even if I can’t do better, googles product range is an absolute mess and using it is a nightmare - I don’t know how to fix the company but I know the outcome is bad.
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