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Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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I'm fundamentally opposed to age verification because it usually leads to mandatory account creation no matter how privacy friendly the age verification process itself may be. It's already extremely annoying that, for example, on YouTube, you can no longer watch many videos without an account. Furthermore, the whole thing also reinforces monopolies. Once you've verified your age on one platform, the barrier to switch…

The sensible solution doesn't build a consumer profile for resale and government surveillance.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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post #222

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I agree, however the problem is that large number of parents can't do that and it becomes a societal issue. That's why we are talking about that, otherwise it would have been private family issue. Drugs, alcohol, teen pregnancy and now social media has become societal issue as enough parents failed to control their kids actions or development.

I think Darwin had a solution to that.

We walked away from it.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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It’s not really about the info but restricting access to people. Imagine they restrict access to social medial to people with different political opinions as the ruling party in the government

The whole idea is that the government gives you a cryptographic token that proves you are over 18, but that token can be used anywhere. They don't get to say what websites can look at it, because...how would they.

The concern isn't that an authoritarian government locks you out of some age-restricted sites, it's that it locks you out of them all.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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Exactly, without this you’re handing the power to decide what is “appropriate” to someone else.

> you’re handing the power to The user?

The server owner. If your parent won't curate the content, they will.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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I'm fundamentally opposed to age verification because it usually leads to mandatory account creation no matter how privacy friendly the age verification process itself may be. It's already extremely annoying that, for example, on YouTube, you can no longer watch many videos without an account. Furthermore, the whole thing also reinforces monopolies. Once you've verified your age on one platform, the barrier to switch…

Exactly. In the future, to view a youtube video we will need create a Gmail account, we'll need a phone, SMS verification, an ID card, and we'll probably have to rotate your head two or three times and talk to some AI.

Eventually they make you fill out some paper work, or pick up some boxes from somewhere and bring them to another place. You know quick human tasks, just to verify you're really human. It's just a verification check, nothing else.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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I find myself stuck on the fence with age checks. Companies have show that they are incapable or unwilling to address the problems they cause. And market forces are not working to correct things. It’s also pretty obvious that saying “parent should take responsibility” is also not working. Just observe the world around you to know it’s a non starter. This is where regulation is supposed to come in. At the same time, c…

> It’s also pretty obvious that saying “parent should take responsibility” is also not working.

So punish those people.

Stop letting them neglect the responsibility a parent innately has to their child

and to the rest of us.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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I don't want the market solving this. If we are going to do age checks it should be based on public key cryptography, be open source, and handled by the government. You verify with the government (or don't since they already know your age), you get some form of cryptographic attestation, present said attestation to websites/apps. I'm not a fan of age verification in the first place, but I am extremely not a fan of ra…

This is scary though too. If the gov managed a key server like this, almost all companies would start requiring it. But this effectively gives the gov a very easy way to lock you out of everything.

Like the government doesn’t already have that power?

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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I want the market solving this but I don’t want to give any information to anyone who asks. I want Apple to verify me once, and then others to trust Apple that the device accessing their service is owned by someone over 18. I’ll bet that most people are in the same boat - they trust their device manufacturer with information like their credit card number, but not anyone else. And I think it’s a pragmatic compromise.

How does this work if you use Linux or Graphene OS?

It's not supposed to. Just one more way to limit our freedom to control our own devices.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#319

I find myself stuck on the fence with age checks. Companies have show that they are incapable or unwilling to address the problems they cause. And market forces are not working to correct things. It’s also pretty obvious that saying “parent should take responsibility” is also not working. Just observe the world around you to know it’s a non starter. This is where regulation is supposed to come in. At the same time, c…

> It’s also pretty obvious that saying “parent should take responsibility” is also not working. So punish those people. Stop letting them neglect the responsibility a parent innately has to their child and to the rest of us.

Stop punishing me by asking for ID when I buy alcohol!

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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post #295

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How many children, actually have the money to buy themself another smartphone, or get a smartphone gifted by random people? I bet that's very rare.

The commercial value of a ten year old smartphone in a wealthy country is approximately $0. It's probably not terribly hard for a determined child who goes to school and has friends to obtain one.

And I bet I'd struggle to install almost all modern popular apps on a 10 year old phone. No Youtube, no Roblox, etc. They simply wouldn't update nor connect. That's one problem solved by the fact that phones operate on a deprecation model, as opposed to Windows OS.
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