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'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by Bender »

shevy-java wrote: post #70
Bender wrote: post #39

If I were a governmental body I would do everything I could to keep citizens using paid VPN's and big CDN's. Money trails are easy to follow and the majority of people are just paying with their bank. It makes people feel safe and more likely to expose certain behaviors. Paid VPN's can say they do not have logs whilst having real time lawful intercept API's. A handful of VPN providers become a one stop shop to get th…

Interesting theory. My own theory is that the big corporations want to siphon off more data from people. That is, I think, the main agenda. See android recently stating that everyone has to give up their age. Next step will be ID (though probably, in order to verify the age, one has to give up the ID anyway, so age sniffing could be called ID sniffing).

For what it's worth, two or more things can be true or even partially true. I think all options should be on the table to discuss potential mitigations. Incentives and incentive driven laws can be difficult to prove out. Probably best to just find mitigating options and controls.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by Arshad-Talpur »

Cider9986 wrote: post #112
Arshad-Talpur wrote: post #58

First question that need to asked from everyone including ownself , why you need VPN?

Privacy from ISP Bypass censorship Get treated the same by websites when traveling Avoid bad laws Gain good laws

Answers are there ! that was the whole point of my question, using or not using should be Personal choice not government Ban , everything on internet has pros and cons.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by inigyou »

OKRainbowKid wrote: post #74
shevy-java wrote: post #66

There is a big discrepancy here. EU courts babble about lawful xyz. While they are doing so, national legislation goes downhill, e. g. mandatory age sniffing and other restrictions to come (I claim the age sniffing will come on the OS level, Google recently announced Android will do so, so you can already see the corporate agenda being pushed into democracies here). So I consider the EU courts to just act as decoy, a…

Are you implying the EU court is (secretly) cooperating with national legislative bodies to implement surveillance tools while pretending to uphold civil liberties?

The EU court is just saying the law currently doesn't make them liable. I assume this oversight will be rectified quickly.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by Cider9986 »

cbg0 wrote: post #24
creatacc wrote: post #7

I don't connect to internet without VPN nowdays. Too much tracking today.

Why is something like ublock origin not enough for your needs? Is it more about the principle of not wanting to share any fingerprint across the Internet, or some specific tracking concern?

uBlock origin is not effective at preventing tracking without changing IP address and using an anti - fingerprint browser like Mullvad's.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by Cider9986 »

idonotknowwhy wrote: post #35
creatacc wrote: post #7

I don't connect to internet without VPN nowdays. Too much tracking today.

How are you not blocked by banking, shopping, even sometimes google search?

Just change servers. Never had a problem with any of those and I have a VPN on my router covering all devices.

Use Brave search instead, Google search has terrible a privacy policy.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by AmazingTurtle »

trvz wrote: post #50
Bender wrote: post #39

If I were a governmental body I would do everything I could to keep citizens using paid VPN's and big CDN's. Money trails are easy to follow and the majority of people are just paying with their bank. It makes people feel safe and more likely to expose certain behaviors. Paid VPN's can say they do not have logs whilst having real time lawful intercept API's. A handful of VPN providers become a one stop shop to get th…

Most of the big VPN companies known from advertisments all over the internet are probably honeypots of the usual countries.

coughs in agressive nord vpn ads

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by bee_rider »

streetfighter64 wrote: post #56
f6v wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Redundancy is not detrimental to security and privacy. On the contrary, having more layers would protect you in case one of them fails (zero-day, bugs, etc.)

If there's a zero-day in TLS there would be a huge amount of problems that a VPN wouldn't protect you against. Even if you're using a VPN (or just a trusted ISP from your home), as soon as your data leaves their hands it would be vulnerable. Like, suppose I want to send a physical letter to my bank. I can either ensure it can't be opened (using TLS), or I can get a trusted mailman to bring it to the mail central (usi…

I’d expect the mail carrier who goes from the mail center to the bank to be slightly more trustworthy than the one who visits me off in the middle of nowhere. Or at least, if that carrier is untrustworthy, it is a big problem for a lot of rich people who have the time and money to think about this sort of stuff.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by tiagod »

1718627440 wrote: post #22
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you need to read the second sentence.

His whole comment contains a view, that some people, including elected officials hold. I don't see an aspect, that actually hints, that he means that in a sarcastic way(, besides that he is on HN).

You guys really need to finish reading the comments before you reply...

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by wlesieutre »

traceroute66 wrote: post #23
xoa wrote: post #16

This is a very brief blog blurb linking the original Tech Radar article that got fairly extensive discussion on HN a week and a half ago [0]. Potentially quite an important one though so a second go around may still be very justified for those who missed it last time. Amidst a lot of negative moves around the net recently it's nice to see some sanity at least once in awhile. ---- 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?…

Yeah, please could everyone not pile in and start re-hashing the extensive comments that have already been made only a week and a half ago. Whatever you're thinking of posting has almost certainly already been said more than once on the original HN discussion.

Is this StackOverflow now, where it's forbidden to discuss something if someone else had a similar discussion before?

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by WalterGR »

alias_neo wrote: post #73
traceroute66 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, please could everyone not pile in and start re-hashing the extensive comments that have already been made only a week and a half ago. Whatever you're thinking of posting has almost certainly already been said more than once on the original HN discussion.

Perhaps people missed that, and would like to start a new discussion? It didn't know there was a quota on discussions of any particular topic, perhaps we should give out tickets to the event in the future to ensure no-one misses their opportunity to join the discourse?

> It didn't know there was a quota on discussions of any particular topic

It’s in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#reposts

“Are reposts ok?

If a story has not had significant attention in the last year or so, a small number of reposts is ok. Otherwise we bury reposts as duplicates.”

Alternately, here are comments by moderator dang that mention reposting: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

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