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'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

#71
> VPNs in particular have been tossed around as something that the UK government would like to ban (citation needed/lacking!)

It was widely covered (like at https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2217934/vpn-ban-table-july...) and tech sec. Liz Kendall is on the record with BBC talking about July.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VPN is what a smart person uses when they are at an internet cafe or somewhere else with public internet where you can’t trust that the traffic isn’t sniffed by someone for giggles and your bank credentials are going to leak.

How would your banking credentials leak? Every banking app uses encryption. In fact, I'd wager every app uses encryption nowadays.

Let’s say a hacker hooks up the hotel internet to a firewalla and opens a free wifi spot. You log in and it sees from your traffic that you’re a customer of ABC bank and Gmail and ATT from the traffic - next thing you know you get a text message from your “bank” that someone has stolen your credentials in “XYZ Arizona” and you have yourself a phishing attack. The exposure scenarios are only limited by the imagination of humans and modern LLMs.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

#73
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This is a very brief blog blurb linking the original Tech Radar article that got fairly extensive discussion on HN a week and a half ago [0]. Potentially quite an important one though so a second go around may still be very justified for those who missed it last time. Amidst a lot of negative moves around the net recently it's nice to see some sanity at least once in awhile. ---- 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?…

Yeah, please could everyone not pile in and start re-hashing the extensive comments that have already been made only a week and a half ago. Whatever you're thinking of posting has almost certainly already been said more than once on the original HN discussion.

Perhaps people missed that, and would like to start a new discussion?

It didn't know there was a quota on discussions of any particular topic, perhaps we should give out tickets to the event in the future to ensure no-one misses their opportunity to join the discourse?

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

#74

There is a big discrepancy here. EU courts babble about lawful xyz. While they are doing so, national legislation goes downhill, e. g. mandatory age sniffing and other restrictions to come (I claim the age sniffing will come on the OS level, Google recently announced Android will do so, so you can already see the corporate agenda being pushed into democracies here). So I consider the EU courts to just act as decoy, a…

Are you implying the EU court is (secretly) cooperating with national legislative bodies to implement surveillance tools while pretending to uphold civil liberties?

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

#75
This looks like a very narrow ruling regarding copyright. It doesn't guarantee that EU bureaucrats won't try to ban VPNs that don't verify user age (for starters to make NPCs support the bans, then they will inevitably attempt to enforce some kind of KYC or logging to "catch terrorists and pedos".)

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

#78
Hurray and good. A technology shouldn’t be treated as unlawful simply because it can be used to bypass restrictions. Restrictions which are stupid in the first place in the majority.

I hope VPNs are not becoming the next battleground between online safety and civil liberties. I'm sick of the current ongoing attacks on civil liberties in the Western World under the fake veil of online safety.

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