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'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by xpct »

freedomben wrote: post #2

VPNs are just tools that sketchy people use for sketchy means. There's no legitimate use for someone who isn't trying to break the law. Allowing these tools let's underage people access porn, and do all manner of undesirable behaviors like accessing region locked content. I have actually heard otherwise intelligent people say things just like that, including site operators who run nontrivial websites. There are of co…

I wanted to respond with something of substance (I still don't understand if it was a paraphrase or not) but every reply here is a meta reply, so hello to all fellow meta reply guys.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by KPGv2 »

Arshad-Talpur wrote: post #58

First question that need to asked from everyone including ownself , why you need VPN?

I just loaded up Bluesky this morning to discover it demanding proof of my age bc I live in Texas. First thing I did was turn on my out-of-state vpn and try again. not today, satan!

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by kenniskrag »

cbg0 wrote: post #36
dzink wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VPN is what a smart person uses when they are at an internet cafe or somewhere else with public internet where you can’t trust that the traffic isn’t sniffed by someone for giggles and your bank credentials are going to leak.

How would your banking credentials leak? Every banking app uses encryption. In fact, I'd wager every app uses encryption nowadays.

I just use my home router as VPN to not care if the 100 apps om my phone have a working encryption. I also use it to access my home services so that they are not exposed to the internet. I also use it to limit exposure on my VMs on a cloud hoster.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by red-iron-pine »

trvz wrote: post #50
Bender wrote: post #39

If I were a governmental body I would do everything I could to keep citizens using paid VPN's and big CDN's. Money trails are easy to follow and the majority of people are just paying with their bank. It makes people feel safe and more likely to expose certain behaviors. Paid VPN's can say they do not have logs whilst having real time lawful intercept API's. A handful of VPN providers become a one stop shop to get th…

Most of the big VPN companies known from advertisments all over the internet are probably honeypots of the usual countries.

if you didn't roll it yourself you need to assume that someone is snooping on you

maybe mullvad is legit but their leadership keeps leaning to dubious causes

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by stronglikedan »

traceroute66 wrote: post #23
xoa wrote: post #16

This is a very brief blog blurb linking the original Tech Radar article that got fairly extensive discussion on HN a week and a half ago [0]. Potentially quite an important one though so a second go around may still be very justified for those who missed it last time. Amidst a lot of negative moves around the net recently it's nice to see some sanity at least once in awhile. ---- 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?…

Yeah, please could everyone not pile in and start re-hashing the extensive comments that have already been made only a week and a half ago. Whatever you're thinking of posting has almost certainly already been said more than once on the original HN discussion.

Gatekeeping through the voting system is preferable to gatekeeping by random comments, if you feel you must gatekeep.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by shevy-java »

There is a big discrepancy here. EU courts babble about lawful xyz. While they are doing so, national legislation goes downhill, e. g. mandatory age sniffing and other restrictions to come (I claim the age sniffing will come on the OS level, Google recently announced Android will do so, so you can already see the corporate agenda being pushed into democracies here). So I consider the EU courts to just act as decoy, aka "look how everything is legal". Well, a few years later, VPN will be banned. And the EU courts will be in agreement with that.

It's a step-by-step strategy.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by shevy-java »

traceroute66 wrote: post #23
xoa wrote: post #16

This is a very brief blog blurb linking the original Tech Radar article that got fairly extensive discussion on HN a week and a half ago [0]. Potentially quite an important one though so a second go around may still be very justified for those who missed it last time. Amidst a lot of negative moves around the net recently it's nice to see some sanity at least once in awhile. ---- 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?…

Yeah, please could everyone not pile in and start re-hashing the extensive comments that have already been made only a week and a half ago. Whatever you're thinking of posting has almost certainly already been said more than once on the original HN discussion.

With due the greatest respect: it is not up to you to decide on what others deem worthy of commenting or not.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by kmeisthax »

cbg0 wrote: post #36
dzink wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VPN is what a smart person uses when they are at an internet cafe or somewhere else with public internet where you can’t trust that the traffic isn’t sniffed by someone for giggles and your bank credentials are going to leak.

How would your banking credentials leak? Every banking app uses encryption. In fact, I'd wager every app uses encryption nowadays.

Not only that, but the iOS and Android APIs for HTTP requests make it really difficult to accidentally use unencrypted HTTP:

* By default, only secure connections are allowed

* You have to enumerate allowed exceptions to this policy in your app manifest XML / Info.plist

* Exceptions are only permitted for specific use cases where mandatory encryption is infeasible, like browsers, podcast players, embedded device clients (which will also require the local network access permission), etc. If you're shipping a banking app and you exempt your own site from encryption, App Review will tear you a new one.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by shevy-java »

Bender wrote: post #39

If I were a governmental body I would do everything I could to keep citizens using paid VPN's and big CDN's. Money trails are easy to follow and the majority of people are just paying with their bank. It makes people feel safe and more likely to expose certain behaviors. Paid VPN's can say they do not have logs whilst having real time lawful intercept API's. A handful of VPN providers become a one stop shop to get th…

Interesting theory. My own theory is that the big corporations want to siphon off more data from people. That is, I think, the main agenda. See android recently stating that everyone has to give up their age. Next step will be ID (though probably, in order to verify the age, one has to give up the ID anyway, so age sniffing could be called ID sniffing).
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