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New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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When I reply to a comment, it's a reply to that comment. Which I don't think you even read

So we’re supposed to ignore all the context leading up to it? What did I supposedly not read, then? Some other comment that’s no longer relevant here?

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Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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If we gave every living human on the planet the polio vaccine as soon as they were able to receive it, it would still exist in the wild somewhere. If new generations are not also given the vaccine, it will eventually return. Probably the same with HIV, although I could see it being somewhat more difficult for that to make a resurgence. If we inoculated the entire human race against it, it could possibly eradicate HIV…

Humans are the only reservoir for polio, so that’s not true. We could theoretically wipe out polio just like smallpox because there are no animal reservoirs.

Huh. TIL. That boggles the mind though. Makes me wonder where it came from, or if perhaps its source was somehow killed off or otherwise destroyed, or if perhaps there is a reservoir somewhere that we simply are not aware of?

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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I knew someone who claimed they had encountered AIDS as a doctor in late 1960s London. I don't know the truth of this, of course, and the person concerned has passed away. I do know that some illnesses present similarly, but it's not impossible. I am sure these diseases are around for a while before people identify them properly.

in early 2020 people would show up in the covid forums and warn about what would become long-covid that they had experienced for TWENTY YEARS since 2003 from SARS-1 I suspect sometime in the 2030s we are going to go through all this again as there won't be any investment into making a cure, there's not enough profit wastewater analysis in major cities shows covid is alive and well, just not in the news anymore becaus…

It's not a good survival strategy for a virus to kill its hosts. Its main priority is to reproduce, and if the host is alive, it can be transmitted. There are signs that Covid has moved towards that. Scarlet fever certainly has.

I think with AIDS, it has a long incubation period, That means it has long enough to infect other people.

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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Kiryas Joel, New York, has astronomically high fertility, but also extremely low rates of under-18 pregnancy - which proves the combination is possible.

That is an exceptional outlier. It's almost entirely (>90%) made up of one religious group that has strict cultural rules about early marriage and having many children. That's not something typical outside of that one particular group, nor can you copy-paste that anywhere else. I think in fact it's the opposite. Because of how universal below-replacement rates are in EVERY developed nation, it shows just how independ…

I disagree - very high fertility combined with very low rates of extramarital pregnancy are totally normal for traditionalist religious groups-not just ultra-Orthodox Jews, but also the Amish, Salafists, Deobandis, vilayet-e faqih-e faqih Twelvers, the SSPX, inter alia - what Eric Kaufmann (see his book Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth?) calls “endogenous growth sects”. There is nothing unique to Kiryas Joel about it; Kiryas Joel is simply the most easy-to-point-to example of a wider phenomenon

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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" likely not a lack of discipline from teenagers" You two might be using "discipline" pretty different. Your definition of discipline would encompass constant casual sex as long as contraceptives were used and any abortions were prompt, right?

'Discipline to avoid teen pregnancy', is it really hard to connect those few dots to what it actually means in behavior?

It's easy to connect the dots, which is that an obfuscation was being applied.

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You don’t recover from HIV at home. We tried that in the 80’s because we had to.

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61 000 children under 15 died of HIV last year. I wonder what kind of personal resposibility inhumane pos like you think they should have taken.

https://www.who.int/teams/global-hiv-hepatitis-and-stis-prog...

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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Which treatments specifically are you referring to?

I'm actually not referring to any treatments at all. There's no evidence to suggest that anything I said exists, or works, and it causes vaccine hesitancy so I think that I may be killing people and taking lives by even talking about it. This is a real likeness of a reply I received during COVID when I shared my vaccinated parents used treatments like Ivermectin to manage COVID. I can tell you, maybe look into freque…

Frequency therapies and inflammation reduction activities for ... curing HIV?

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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> This seems unrelated It's the exact effect you're describing. Seatbelts aren't 100% efffective. When they were mandated, a common criticism was that this would increase risky driving. It did, a bit. But not enough to negate the significant safety effects of wearing a seatbelt. > My issue is the poor effectiveness of this vaccine One, it's still preclinical. We don't know its effectiveness in humans. But two, your a…

I can't tell if you're arguing in bad faith or if you just don't actually understand anything I've been saying. > Your hypothesis wasn't a bad instinct. But you could have followed up on it or, when confronted with evidence against it, chosen not to double down. ...huh? What solitary point of evidence has even been presented? First it was pointed out to me that I'm not a psychic, which is true but is not evidence of…

> seatbelts save lives…not evidence of anything, given that both are highly effective

“Seat belts reduce serious crash-related injuries and deaths by about half” [1].

The exact form of argument you’re attempting to make has been made against seatbelts. The reason why it’s wrong for seatbelts is the reason why it’s wrong now.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/seat-belts/facts/index.html#:~:text=Wear...

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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Right; that's a better framing. 1. Some people don't use tools. (For instance, we have spellcheckers, but people don't use them or ignore them.) 2. So of what use is another tool? (Why develop a grammar checker?) See the problem? For the people who do use tools, there are useful differences among them. Some users of spell checkers will welcome the grammar checker. Some of those who would use drugs to prevent transmis…

>2. So of what use is another tool? (Why develop a grammar checker?) This isn't quite the right analogy, because a vaccine doesn't do something different from PrEP, it just does it in a different way. At the individual level it might make a compelling case (but more of that in a bit), but for the systemic purpose of eradicating the disease, not so much; not until it's given out during childhood like other vaccines. >…

I picked that example because the grammar checker will subsume the spellchecker. The spellchecker misses when a spelling error lands on a word, like "two bad" appearing instead of "too bad", so the grammar checker is a better spell checker.

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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Vaccines can be singled out as a specific type of prophylaxis. The distinction is that a vaccine will train your immune system to actively destroy the foreign body, while a prophylactics might just prevent it from spreading or taking hold to begin with.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. An antiviral drug will destroy the pathogen just as much as the body would; that's how it prevents the disease from manifesting. What do you think would otherwise happen to HIV particles in your bloodstream? They just hang in there until the antiviral effects run out?

The difference is that your body doesn’t make antiviral drugs. It does make antibodies after it has been trained to do so with a vaccine.
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