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A.I. companies are recruiting electricians and carpenters by the thousands

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Post by ElProlactin »

jeffbee wrote: post #94
fl4regun wrote: post #80

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just don't forget these are temporary, eventually there will be "enough" data centers, and none of these jobs will exist, so if you are planning a 20 year + career, don't count on this being the norm.

Nah. If USA returns to its senses we are going to need tons of tradespeople to build all the stuff we need for the billion Americans.

> If USA returns to its senses we are going to need tons of tradespeople to build all the stuff we need for the billion Americans

You're missing the /s?

The only thing that has been keeping the US population from declining is immigration, and the US isn't exactly the most welcoming country anymore.

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Post by Animats »

The next demand for those trades will be for war plants.

For those who haven't noticed, the US/Israel/Iran war and the Ukraine/Russia war just merged. Countries currently shooting at each other: Ukraine, Russia, Iran, Israel, US, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, Jordan, Egypt, Bahrain, Kuwait... See the lead story in the New York Times for the past two days.

This war has crossed an important threshold. No pair of countries, one on each side, can stop the war now. The US and Iran can no longer stop it alone. Ukraine and Russia can no longer stop it alone. This is very like WWI - too many combatants with differing motivations. This much isn't a projection. This is the current reality.

It looks like a long war. Expect a very large, expensive military buildup. That's going to need war plants, built in a hurry. Ammunition. Weapons. Drones by the millions.

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Post by Moto7451 »

icehawk wrote: post #287
cucumber3732842 wrote: post #271

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As a guy who does HVAC as a hobby, this post is hilarious, nobody should take it seriously. I can see exactly where the practical experience would be invaluable.

Precisely. As someone who has done work in my home that has passed inspection, there’s a lot more to it than just taking a test. It’s the “how things are supposed to work” meets “how am I going to actually make this work” X factor that takes time and ultimately what people pay for.

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Post by mjevans »

limecherrysoda wrote: post #153
pfdietz wrote: post #139

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On the other hand, the economy is going to be increasingly electrified. Demand is going to be there in some form.

On a third hand, electricity is just movement of electrons. While DC is driving electrons down the line, AC is basically just when you vibrate them around. Anyway my point is the field (no pun intended) may change drastically in the increasingly electrified future. I'm personally excited for more wireless power in areas, and the concept of ambient energy - harvesting power out of the already vibrating electrons in th…

DC is super weird that way... The actual velocity of an electron down that line is, offhand, extremely slow compared to the speed of light.

Think of DC more like you're trying to pump a frozen ice mixture drink (trying to avoid any of the major brand names) down a straw. If you melt it, that's loss to heat. If the pressure gets there that's DC current.

The AC vibrations are the same thing except it's like the lever action on a steam locomotive. Translating the motor's spin into a back and forth wave in the line.

This is why AC is rather useful for making other things spin or vibrate to the point of being emissive.

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Post by mjevans »

wffurr wrote: post #121
HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #119

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I think that age started over 100 years ago.

It's accelerating. Electrification of infrastructure and buildings is a huge growth area with big delays in projects due to lack of capacity.

That's what I don't understand about the lack of building more power plants. Of all types.

Yes, people should make efforts to not waste electricity (use more effective lights, etc). However the demand is _never_ going to go down. Progress utilizes more energy. Make stuff more efficient, or less expensive, and people will do more things, or more people will do things. That's how quality of live goes up.

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Post by bdangubic »

akersten wrote: post #273
cucumber3732842 wrote: post #271

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Yeah, who needs practical experience anyway? Dang gubment

always damn government getting in the way of random stranger being able to come to your house and do some electrity…

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Post by andsoitis »

kvisner wrote: post #89

I would be very careful about basing your career decsions based on this trend. The data center build out will always be very boom and bust, which would really suck to work in. One year you would be making 300k working on dataceters and the next you would make 30k because thousands of electricians are now competing to build a few single family homes.

> One year you would be making 300k working on dataceters and the next you would make 30k because thousands of electricians are now competing to build a few single family homes.

That averages to 150k per annum, which is more than double the median salary in the US.

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Post by afavour »

Animats wrote: post #312

The next demand for those trades will be for war plants. For those who haven't noticed, the US/Israel/Iran war and the Ukraine/Russia war just merged. Countries currently shooting at each other: Ukraine, Russia, Iran, Israel, US, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, Jordan, Egypt, Bahrain, Kuwait... See the lead story in the New York Times for the past two days. This war has crossed an important threshold. No pai…

> For those who haven't noticed, the US/Israel/Iran war and the Ukraine/Russia war just merged.

In what way?

> No pair of countries, one on each side, can stop the war now. The US and Iran can no longer stop it alone. Ukraine and Russia can no longer stop it alone.

It seems to me like you’re undermining your point here. No two sides can stop it alone because they are separate conflicts. The US and Iran can agree to stop fighting. Ukraine and Russia can do the same. The reason they don’t affect each other is because they’re separate conflicts.

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Post by democracy »

nik282000 wrote: post #305
someothherguyy wrote: post #296

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there are many levels of automation. electricians already use a lot of "automation" already: wire pullers, electric drivers, test equipment, soldering and crimping tools, conduit benders, pipe threaders, and so on. installation systems are currently made for humans, so one has to do some fantasizing to see a future where installs can be done completely by non-human agents or by automated orchestration of low skill hu…

While a lot of my tools are faster I would never call them automated. You stil have to put the wire in the crimp, you still have to measure the pipe and make the cut, you still need to put the head of the driver in the screw. The 'hard' part is still 100% on the human. The only way to really automate electrical installation is at the source (ha), when the construction materials are manufactured. I can imagine some go…

Given enough motivation (cash) and temporary tools (WD-40 and tape) there is nothing stopping bigtech from doing just that to kill local trade and then 10x prices
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