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AI's top startups are barely publishing their research
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Re: AI's top startups are barely publishing their research
#32The article is vague about the companies in the paper, for some reason.
In the paper, OpenAI is at the top of the chart for cumulative citations. MEGVII, Hugging Face, Waymo, Momenta, Preferred Netowkrs, Anthropic, Owkin, and Databricks, and Aibee follow (in that order). Yes, that is citations, not publications, but they explain that they're trying to use that as a proxy for significance, albeit an imperfect one.
Companies like Google aren't included because they aren't unicorn startups.
Re: AI's top startups are barely publishing their research
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
When they do this, are they buying a single copy of say Book A and destroying a single Book A copy? Or are they buying every copy they can find of Book A and destroying all of them?
Elon recently (2d) tweeted about making sure they preserve rare books and "scan them the hard way". That tweet launched a cultural wave of opposition regarding the debinding of rare books. The discussion has been around, but it's flared significantly recently. Not sure if that's what the person you're responding to is specifically inflamed about. Regardless, old/rare books are certainly being acquired and destroyed.
No, he didn't tweeted about "making sure" of anything.
Elon tweeted "I’ve asked the SpaceXAI team to preserve any rare books in a library and scan them the hard way vs just cutting off the spine and scanning"
which is no sense a credible source for what he actually asked SpaceXAI team to do, or if they are doing it, or what they were doing before yesterday. Elon has an extremely long and thorough track record of lying.
Re: AI's top startups are barely publishing their research
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean?
https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/anthropic-destroyed-milli... The scanning process destroys the book.
Note it doesn't have to, it's just faster to.
Internet Archive scans their books one page at a time keeping the book intact and stored in a warehouse.
Re: AI's top startups are barely publishing their research
#35Re: AI's top startups are barely publishing their research
#36All startups barely publish their research, because doing that would be incredibly stupid for the most part, because they want to sell the stuff they invent not give it away for free.
The stuff they invent isn't what's in the papers. The progress in AI is in the engineering hurdles.
Re: AI's top startups are barely publishing their research
#37The article is vague about the companies in the paper, for some reason. In the paper, OpenAI is at the top of the chart for cumulative citations. MEGVII, Hugging Face, Waymo, Momenta, Preferred Netowkrs, Anthropic, Owkin, and Databricks, and Aibee follow (in that order). Yes, that is citations, not publications, but they explain that they're trying to use that as a proxy for significance, albeit an imperfect one. Com…
databricks is a top ai startup?. i thought they did spark hosting or something.
what makes them a top ai startup
Re: AI's top startups are barely publishing their research
#38Funny, as ONE PERSON with Claude, I've been on a tear when it comes to publishing my own research: https://arxiv.org/search/?searchtype=author&query=Magarshak%... So I know that smart people in those companies can definitely publish. In fact, a whole team should probably be publishing like no tomorrow!
Have you built the things described in those papers?
Re: AI's top startups are barely publishing their research
#39Perhaps I'm imagining it but the entire industry was build on published research, this "AI wave" is at odds with that and seems to be driven by greed (although they'll claim some arms race or something to help themselves sleep at night). There should be a new ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) policy being pushed recognizing the important role this plays. Although ESG and all norms have been set aside in thi…
> Perhaps I'm imagining it but the entire industry was build on public research
There is some excellent publicly-funded research in there, but pivotal papers like Attention Is All You Need and the numerous pivotal OpenAI publications were privately funded.
OpenAI is at the top of the chart in the study.
I think you're bringing some assumptions into this conversation that aren't supported by the evidence.
Re: AI's top startups are barely publishing their research
#40Startups exist to profit, not necessarily publish.