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Exploiting Volvo/Eicher's fleet platform to gain control over all users/vehicles

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Re: Exploiting Volvo/Eicher's fleet platform to gain control over all users/vehicles

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This is my primary concern with modern cars. You are at the complete merci of the security and correctness of the cloud management software for the correctly functioning of the car. Wouldn’t it be better if your phone/devices would pair directly with the car, exchange keys, and have the company cloud only function as a proxy. On holiday a guests BMW didn’t want to “start” anymore because it couldn’t phone home becaus…

Agreed that it's absurd. Consumers continue to purchase cars that do this though. BMW doing this, having proprietary bolt heads, and the subscription heated seats fiasco from nearly a decade ago have made it clear that BMW is a make that will try to screw you at every turn, yet people continue to purchase them. It's a shame. I will continue to purchase vehicles with as internet connected and touch screen features as…

A lot of people don't know anything about any of this. They don't even understand what the difference between something like SYNC or Android Auto is. And the manufacturers subdue as much information about these things as possible. Outside of the automotive enthusiast and now increasingly the tech space, there's no discussion or spread of awareness about these kinds of hostilities built into vehicles.

So yes, people continue to purchase car that do this because they don't know they do this. And if the manufacturers have their way those people will never know until it's reared up and bit them.

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I don’t know why particularly here over elsewhere, but this thought really makes me feel disappointment in the whole chain of humans responsible for the cost optimization away of product integrity. Though in this case, with all the tracking being thrown into newer cars, maybe a bit of a gap is a good thing for the future. Jailbreaking vehicles would be a cool thing to see become widespread.

there's no point in being moral when these companies with their immense resources will just ignore you or refuse to give a measly bounty things won't change until they have to make an effort

This. If they don’t feel pressure to pay, they won’t.

More people should make them pay.

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This is my primary concern with modern cars. You are at the complete merci of the security and correctness of the cloud management software for the correctly functioning of the car. Wouldn’t it be better if your phone/devices would pair directly with the car, exchange keys, and have the company cloud only function as a proxy. On holiday a guests BMW didn’t want to “start” anymore because it couldn’t phone home becaus…

How they will be able to block you from using your car when they deem that you should by a new one? Or how would they be able to make something a paid feature after you bought it? You need to support these poor fellas

I expect a firmware update to “accidentally” brick parts of my new car at some point, then claim it takes them 6 months to roll back the mistake. That is how they will do it.

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Geely bought it from Ford in 2010. https://www.reuters.com/article/business/geely-signs-18-bill...

That would be Volvo cars. tfa is about Volvo group, which is Swedish and makes among other things Volvo trucks. (Or HGVs as they might be called in Europe)

Oh, great point!
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