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Re: User Interfaces of the Demo Scene

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Post by amiga386 »

larodi wrote: post #53
gilrain wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s your point?

exactly what is stated. it is demoscene, and people been calling it such. https://www.pouet.net/ calls it demoscene, https://scene.org/ calls it demoscene, and so does https://assembly.org , which existed for at least as long as the demoscene been a thing. so something that is called "demo scene" perhaps may designate other matter. the same way copyright is one word, and not "copy right", which is semantically diffre…

English compound nouns can be open, hyphenated or closed. What is acceptable usage changes over time. Some say that compound nouns "harden", e.g "file name" became "file-name" became "filename", and they all mean the same thing, but currently "filename" is the most common spelling. "Foot ball" was acceptable in the 1800s but only "football" is acceptable now.

Your example, "copyright", has only existed in this closed form. "copy-right" and "copy right" are not recognised.

On the other hand, "demo scene" is a recognised variant of "demoscene". It may look as wrong to you as "color" looks to me, but it's recognised.

Want a citation or two?

The Death of Kefrens (1991):

https://ftp.scene.org/mirrors/amigascne/Scrollers/K-Groupste...

    ORION, CODER:                           
    -------------                           
    LEFT THE DEMO SCENE FOR ABOUT A WEEK AS 
    HE STARTED CODING A GAME.               
    AFTER A WHILE HE CHANGED HIS MIND, DID A
    DENTRO, AND RETURNED TO THE DEMO SCENE. 
    NOW A MEMBER OF FLASH PRODUCTION.
How about "Break's Amiga Demo Scene Collection"? http://arabuusimiehet.com/break/amiga/

Or this 2007 interview of Fiver2? https://www.hugi.scene.org/online/hugise03/hugi%2033%20-%20d... "How do you think Debris will influence the demo scene?"

Re: User Interfaces of the Demo Scene

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Post by MatMercer »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #48

Old man (well only in my 50s but hey it's old) rambling but these were the days. The way it started though is really intereseting: as a 11 years old kid learning BASIC, it quickly escalated... At first we got pirated C64 games (because of course and that's how I became best friend with my neighbors and, to this day, we still exchange Telegram message on a near daily basis) and those games had an "intro" (a "cracktro"…

I'm younger than you, but I did had contact with the 2000's internet, where sites existed just for fun.

I try to find these types of sites today, a collection of fun and interesting ones.

https://matbm.net/gold - it's a WIP but so far it's been a fun ride.

Re: User Interfaces of the Demo Scene

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Post by nuxi »

gokohl wrote: post #39

Never been into building tracks, always the coder (assembler on 6502 and MC68000). Somebody should do a similar article about all the demo build tools like kkrieger, or modern ones like Tixl. Anyway…good old times :)

FR released the source code for their tools in 2012, some of the concepts are described in the repo, e.g.: https://github.com/farbrausch/fr_public/blob/master/werkkzeu...

A couple of additional links from my bookmarks:

- The EXE packer : https://www.farbrausch.de/~fg/kkrunchy/

- Some tech details in "The Farbrausch Way to make Demos" slides : https://llg.cubic.org/docs/farbrauschDemos/

- Various related videos (search for ryg/chaos/fiver2): https://files.scene.org/browse/resources/seminars/code/

- Overview of their tools + misc links: https://adrianboeing.blogspot.com/2012/04/farbraush-demo-too...

- Some .kkrieger details: https://fgiesen.wordpress.com/2012/04/08/metaprogramming-for...

Re: User Interfaces of the Demo Scene

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Post by dfxm12 »

madhu_ghalame wrote: post #5

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These aren't all dev tools. Plus, for devs, it was a way to show off. For end users, fun is a consideration as well.

If you're curious, it's not hard to get an emulator up and running. Some of this software can even run in the Internet Archive. Here's a link to fast tracker II: https://archive.org/details/msdos_Fast_Tracker_2_1994

Re: User Interfaces of the Demo Scene

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

p2detar wrote: post #17

I swear music trackers had the most impressive UI back then. FastTracker and ImpulseTracker were to me the highest piece of art and engineering at the time. They kind of hold up even to this day. Especially ImpulseTracker's instruments and sample editor.

“Back then”? You can buy a brand new Polyend Mini right now with built in synths and samplers, all while being portable!

Re: User Interfaces of the Demo Scene

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Post by ChrisArchitect »

Omitting Scream Tracker, especially v3 is a big miss. Notably coming from Future Crew, iconic/influential Finnish scene group, with v3 definitely in the competition mix when FastTracker 2 was around, and the UI influenced the next DOS iteration of trackers in Impulse Tracker.

Re: User Interfaces of the Demo Scene

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Post by shdon »

amiga386 wrote: post #61
larodi wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

exactly what is stated. it is demoscene, and people been calling it such. https://www.pouet.net/ calls it demoscene, https://scene.org/ calls it demoscene, and so does https://assembly.org , which existed for at least as long as the demoscene been a thing. so something that is called "demo scene" perhaps may designate other matter. the same way copyright is one word, and not "copy right", which is semantically diffre…

English compound nouns can be open, hyphenated or closed. What is acceptable usage changes over time. Some say that compound nouns "harden", e.g "file name" became "file-name" became "filename", and they all mean the same thing, but currently "filename" is the most common spelling. "Foot ball" was acceptable in the 1800s but only "football" is acceptable now. Your example, "copyright", has only existed in this closed…

Completely off topic, but I love your username.
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