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This is a net good for Linux. Most of the PC gaming audience is on Windows, so Windows is still the primary target being developed against. Having better Vulkan on Windows means more support for Vulkan in games in the pipeline, which means better Linux support in those games over time, which ultimately benefits Steam and their hardware.
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Say that to the 95% of people using Windows to play PC games.
Many or most of those 95% who are just using Windows for PC games and using a web browser would be well served by either trying out or having a tech-savvy neighbor help them try out a Linux distro like Bazzite. I used to boot into Windows regularly to play video games. I haven't booted into Windows in ages . Proton is really good, and the major web browsers work the same on -at minimum- Windows, OSX, and Linux. Plus,…
> Plus, it's been my experience that drivers for AMD's graphics cards just work better on Linux
That's why Valve went with AMD for the Steam Deck and Machine. But it's also another blocker because 72% of Steam users have an Nvidia GPU.
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Many or most of those 95% who are just using Windows for PC games and using a web browser would be well served by either trying out or having a tech-savvy neighbor help them try out a Linux distro like Bazzite. I used to boot into Windows regularly to play video games. I haven't booted into Windows in ages . Proton is really good, and the major web browsers work the same on -at minimum- Windows, OSX, and Linux. Plus,…
> Many or most of those 95% who are just using Windows for PC games and using a web browser would be well served by either trying out or having a tech-savvy neighbor help them try out a Linux distro like Bazzite. This is true until you consider what that exact casual market looks like. Mainstream casual PC gamers are overwhelmingly concentrated in live service multiplayer AAA games with kernel level anticheat. Fortni…
"games that market is mostly concentrated on is the single category that still does not work on Linux."
All of the games you described have and will work on Linux perfectly fine under proton, it is the developers CHOICE for these games not to work.
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It won't die as long as it keeps coming preinstalled with new PCs, and included in their price.
The majority of their range is now provided this way.
The reality, Linux is now good enough for students and grandpa alike, plenty of customers who now wouldn’t give a toss to pay the extra price for the Microsoft branded OS.
With Ms Office barely existing anymore the old lock-in is increasingly tenuous.
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It won't die as long as it keeps coming preinstalled with new PCs, and included in their price.
Lenovo has already broken rank and Windows is now a paid extra add-on, the default being a popular Linux distro pre-installed unless you wanna pay extra. The majority of their range is now provided this way. The reality, Linux is now good enough for students and grandpa alike, plenty of customers who now wouldn’t give a toss to pay the extra price for the Microsoft branded OS. With Ms Office barely existing anymore t…
Like basically sending thugs to Japanese computer sellers and threatening to revoke their Windows licenses if they even offered customers an option to pre-install alternative operating systems!!
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Many or most of those 95% who are just using Windows for PC games and using a web browser would be well served by either trying out or having a tech-savvy neighbor help them try out a Linux distro like Bazzite. I used to boot into Windows regularly to play video games. I haven't booted into Windows in ages . Proton is really good, and the major web browsers work the same on -at minimum- Windows, OSX, and Linux. Plus,…
The problem is most people "who are just using Windows for PC games and using a web browser" are not a good fit for Linux. They don't install their OS themselves so cannot install a Linux distro. They don't do their own regular maintenance so forced updates are necessary. They expect software like Office to be available - not alternatives that work a bit differently and have buttons in unfamiliar places. Computer lit…
From the first sentence in my reply:
Many or most of those 95% ...would be well served by either trying out or having a tech-savvy neighbor help them try out...
My buddy games on Linux and has an nVidia graphics card. It works well enough when you use nVidia's proprietary drivers. Distros like Bazzite install those out of the box. See also this comment [0] posted two hours before yours.
[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49099323>
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> Many or most of those 95% who are just using Windows for PC games and using a web browser would be well served by either trying out or having a tech-savvy neighbor help them try out a Linux distro like Bazzite. This is true until you consider what that exact casual market looks like. Mainstream casual PC gamers are overwhelmingly concentrated in live service multiplayer AAA games with kernel level anticheat. Fortni…
So, to be clear, and to really drive this point home. Gaming on Linux is absolutely viable and practical it's just the efforts are sunken by bad developers who refuse to enable compatibility or figure out a better solution. "games that market is mostly concentrated on is the single category that still does not work on Linux." All of the games you described have and will work on Linux perfectly fine under proton, it i…
Can you blame them if the choices they have are a) support Linux but with weak anti-cheat, or b) exclude ~3% of PC gamers?
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> Many or most of those 95% who are just using Windows for PC games and using a web browser would be well served by either trying out or having a tech-savvy neighbor help them try out a Linux distro like Bazzite. This is true until you consider what that exact casual market looks like. Mainstream casual PC gamers are overwhelmingly concentrated in live service multiplayer AAA games with kernel level anticheat. Fortni…
So, to be clear, and to really drive this point home. Gaming on Linux is absolutely viable and practical it's just the efforts are sunken by bad developers who refuse to enable compatibility or figure out a better solution. "games that market is mostly concentrated on is the single category that still does not work on Linux." All of the games you described have and will work on Linux perfectly fine under proton, it i…
Yeah. That single category is "games that the devs have done the extra work needed to make them not run in Proton". There's no consistent game genre, age, or intended audience... it's just whether or not the dev decided that running on the Steam Deck, SteamOS, and the various Linux distros was something that they were actively going to block. [0]
[0] An illustrative case is Apex Legends. It waffled back and forth between "permitted to run under Proton" and "not permitted", and eventually landed in the "not permitted" bucket. And no, "'competitive' shooters" is not the category that this fits in because shooters like Hunt: Showdown and Counterstrike work just fine with Proton.
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The problem is most people "who are just using Windows for PC games and using a web browser" are not a good fit for Linux. They don't install their OS themselves so cannot install a Linux distro. They don't do their own regular maintenance so forced updates are necessary. They expect software like Office to be available - not alternatives that work a bit differently and have buttons in unfamiliar places. Computer lit…
> The problem is most people... From the first sentence in my reply: Many or most of those 95% ...would be well served by either trying out or having a tech-savvy neighbor help them try out... > But it's also another blocker because 72% of Steam users have an Nvidia GPU. My buddy games on Linux and has an nVidia graphics card. It works well enough when you use nVidia's proprietary drivers. Distros like Bazzite instal…
I ignored this bit because it wouldn't make an impact. Curiosity and patience is limited for most people so they don't bother exploring options - they just want to game. Having a friend/family/neighbor who can help would be great if there were enough of us, but they still need to take the first step and ask.
Valve is apparently working with Nvidia for proper support with SteamOS. I have my doubts though, I expect AMD will continue to be the best choice, but official support in SteamOS would be significant.