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Ancient Rome's version of Google Maps: how long to reach the beach

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Re: Ancient Rome's version of Google Maps: how long to reach the beach

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Cobblestones aren't walk friendly.

Asphalt/concrete isn't either. Gravel or packed dirt is way better. That said 30km/day is very real, even in mountain country. It takes 6-7 hours, the rest is resting/gawking/laying on a mountain watching the sky (or trying furiosly to find that effin trail on osmand). I walked that a few times a week when I lived in Montenegro, and that was 50/50 roads and mountain trails from sea level up to 700m-ish elevation and…

Sure, but I'd imagine the average human could walk substantially further on flat modern roads in modern footwear than on cobblestone with ancient sandles.

You use 10–20% more energy for just mildly uneven surfaces - probably more for roman cobblestone.

Re: Ancient Rome's version of Google Maps: how long to reach the beach

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Asphalt/concrete isn't either. Gravel or packed dirt is way better. That said 30km/day is very real, even in mountain country. It takes 6-7 hours, the rest is resting/gawking/laying on a mountain watching the sky (or trying furiosly to find that effin trail on osmand). I walked that a few times a week when I lived in Montenegro, and that was 50/50 roads and mountain trails from sea level up to 700m-ish elevation and…

Sure, but I'd imagine the average human could walk substantially further on flat modern roads in modern footwear than on cobblestone with ancient sandles. You use 10–20% more energy for just mildly uneven surfaces - probably more for roman cobblestone.

Actually no. Uniform flat surface is tiring compared to a trail even in best shoes. Try walking 10 km on hardtop then compare to walking same distance on unpaved road.

For shoes we also went not too far: Merrel sandals basically replicate roman caliga with modern materials. And it's not like you can use even halfboots in mediterannean unless it's winter - it's just too hot.

Re: Ancient Rome's version of Google Maps: how long to reach the beach

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What you call sandals the Romans called boots. Their boots were open on the top but still heavily soled. This suited their climate and kept the foot cool and dry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligae

A modern alternative might be a pair of crocs?

These were hob nailed thick soles leather boots where the uppers were a series of adjustable straps. I don't think there's anything modern that's comparable.

The closest in terms of function would probably be the jungle boot, where the uppers have drains and fabric air circulation panels built in to keep the foot cooler and dryer.

These boots were designed to allow the wearer to walk long distances without discomfort in the Mediterranean climate of the Roman empire

Re: Ancient Rome's version of Google Maps: how long to reach the beach

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Open source code on Codeberg and historical data combined into a functional map—this is the kind of passion project the web was built for.

I mean, technically it was built for "the management of general information about accelerators and experiments at CERN". The fact that it also supports a whole bunch of peoples' passion projects as well as a multi-trillion dollar commercial marketplace is just a bonus... https://www.w3.org/History/1989/proposal.html

Fair point! Though I suspect Tim Berners-Lee wouldn't mind a 43-day Roman road trip planner being part of CERN's ultimate legacy.

Re: Ancient Rome's version of Google Maps: how long to reach the beach

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post #52

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Sure, but I'd imagine the average human could walk substantially further on flat modern roads in modern footwear than on cobblestone with ancient sandles. You use 10–20% more energy for just mildly uneven surfaces - probably more for roman cobblestone.

Actually no. Uniform flat surface is tiring compared to a trail even in best shoes. Try walking 10 km on hardtop then compare to walking same distance on unpaved road. For shoes we also went not too far: Merrel sandals basically replicate roman caliga with modern materials. And it's not like you can use even halfboots in mediterannean unless it's winter - it's just too hot.

Empirically, yes.

You seem to be equating flatness with surface hardness. Tarmac isn't unforgiving to walk on because it's flat, it's because it has no give.

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