hmmm, I have seen big fish in much bigger birds claws, and have seen even bigger birds dive bombing other birds to force them to drop there fish
plus a bird can get a fish over ANY lake in
minuits, vs an all day random fish carrying hike?
so to recap, I have seen many birds with fish, but zero human fish hikers
Hunter-gatherers introduced fish to a mountain lake 7000 years ago
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Re: Hunter-gatherers introduced fish to a mountain lake 7000 years ago
#32Yes. One thing that becomes very obvious if you go along "native" human villages in Africa is the reason civilization develops. When you look at villages that don't grow, but do the normal human thing. Grow, war (2 kinds: young vs old and village/tribe vs village/tribe), grow. It's not because of agriculture. They have agriculture (they grow maniok, and you don't need much. They have fire, weapons, ... Also the entir…
Great point until the end. None of your descriptions imply a lack of morality for living isolated from a greater civilization. If anything, such small societies inhabit a neutral position, in that they don't care, which is something you already stated. I think the only people arguing that the North Sentinelese are immoral are religious, for instance (hence why most attempts to visit are done by missions). The general…
They don't care and "respond strongly" to insults or territorial disputes (which involve both actual land, men, women, and children), to the point that sometimes dozens of people die in the resulting fight. They kill because of insults (which mostly involves sex). Oh and they do quite a bit for alcohol. They'll fuck visitors, just to see if their next kid is white (but, of course, if you go along with that you lose whatever protection that "outsider who maybe brings alcohol" gave you. And you're sure to lose almost any fight). Also: don't make the mistake of still visibly having any alcohol when leaving the village.
Certainly it would be accurate to say that both the cities in the neighborhood and the central government have issues with this sort of thing. To say nothing of when cities get attacked.
Re: Hunter-gatherers introduced fish to a mountain lake 7000 years ago
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mountain lakes are completely different. There’s fish eggs being washed everywhere during rain storms. The eggs come from upstream and wash into random places.
This doesn't provide an answer for lakes. But I always thought the explanation was eggs randomly getting stuck to bird feet. Or maybe a bird carries a fish with eggs up there and eats it or something. Inevitably it happens though...
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Re: Hunter-gatherers introduced fish to a mountain lake 7000 years ago
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Great point until the end. None of your descriptions imply a lack of morality for living isolated from a greater civilization. If anything, such small societies inhabit a neutral position, in that they don't care, which is something you already stated. I think the only people arguing that the North Sentinelese are immoral are religious, for instance (hence why most attempts to visit are done by missions). The general…
I do not think anyone is arguing the Sentinelese are immoral?
Why would you bring a mission to a hostile island otherwise?
Re: Hunter-gatherers introduced fish to a mountain lake 7000 years ago
#35Re: Hunter-gatherers introduced fish to a mountain lake 7000 years ago
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mountain lakes are completely different. There’s fish eggs being washed everywhere during rain storms. The eggs come from upstream and wash into random places.
This doesn't provide an answer for lakes. But I always thought the explanation was eggs randomly getting stuck to bird feet. Or maybe a bird carries a fish with eggs up there and eats it or something. Inevitably it happens though...
Lakes have connected rivers and streams that provide paths for fish and eggs to move around. There are human and animal activities that affect this. Your bird example and beavers causing floods could allow movement.
Re: Hunter-gatherers introduced fish to a mountain lake 7000 years ago
#37https://archive.is/ZuKV6
Thank you!
Re: Hunter-gatherers introduced fish to a mountain lake 7000 years ago
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Great point until the end. None of your descriptions imply a lack of morality for living isolated from a greater civilization. If anything, such small societies inhabit a neutral position, in that they don't care, which is something you already stated. I think the only people arguing that the North Sentinelese are immoral are religious, for instance (hence why most attempts to visit are done by missions). The general…
They don't care and "respond strongly" to insults or territorial disputes (which involve both actual land, men, women, and children), to the point that sometimes dozens of people die in the resulting fight. They kill because of insults (which mostly involves sex). Oh and they do quite a bit for alcohol. They'll fuck visitors, just to see if their next kid is white (but, of course, if you go along with that you lose w…
Sounds like you need alcohol, and also a pistol, with a few full magazines. Just in case. Try not to let the women see it, if you have occasion to remove your clothes.
Re: Hunter-gatherers introduced fish to a mountain lake 7000 years ago
#39Re: Hunter-gatherers introduced fish to a mountain lake 7000 years ago
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
This doesn't provide an answer for lakes. But I always thought the explanation was eggs randomly getting stuck to bird feet. Or maybe a bird carries a fish with eggs up there and eats it or something. Inevitably it happens though...
Lakes have connected rivers and streams that provide paths for fish and eggs to move around. There are human and animal activities that affect this. Your bird example and beavers causing floods could allow movement.
Isolated alpine lakes do not have connected rivers and streams, yet a ton are stocked with fish by humans.
Is it unbelievable that ancient hunter-gatherers would do the same thing?