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Re: How to survive boiling water

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Post by micr0bi0l0gist »

WoodenChair wrote: post #90
Aachen wrote: post #69

> about 7 out of 10 people in the U.S. were prescribed antibiotics in 2024 according to . This blew my mind so I double checked the source. It links to https://www.cdc.gov/antibiotic-use/hcp/data-research/antibio... which contains some numbers but not the claim. It links to various reports, the latest one (2024 at the time of writing) https://www.cdc.gov/antibiotic-use/media/pdfs/2024-Annual-Re... says at the top of…

Yes I stopped reading there after checking the source myself and seeing the same discrepancy. I had also noticed earlier in the article she wrote, "This finding was great news for Napoleon. The French were losing money, and perhaps more alarmingly, their reputation, exporting wine to the British – the wine would “spontaneously” go bad during shipping." Pasteur was born after Napoleon was exiled. Maybe she is referrin…

Thank you for pointing this out! I added the following correction and footnote to my piece. I tried to be as rigorous as possible but am definitely better-versed in biology than French history. "This finding was great news for Napoleon III. The French were losing money, and perhaps more alarmingly, their reputation, exporting wine to the British – the wine would “spontaneously” go bad during shipping." Footnote: " Author correction 7/28/26: Changed from “Napoleon” to “Napoleon III.” A commenter on another site correctly pointed out that Napoleon I was exiled before Pasteur was born. According to the Pasteur Institute, “in 1863, Napoleon III asked [Pasteur] to study diseases in wine.”"

Re: How to survive boiling water

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Post by 10u152 »

zdragnar wrote: post #96
NDlurker wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about ivermectin? I've taken ivermectin prophylactically when traveling because I'm afraid of bed bugs. Pretty sure you can do the same with ticks. Just stop by your local farm supply store and pick up some of that nasty apple flavored horse paste. Just make sure you dose it right. Easy to do. Absolutely disgusting.

Depends on where you are- in most of the US, tick concerns are primarily Lyme's disease or Rocky mountain fever, which are a virus and bacterium. Ivermectin works by interfering with nerve and tissues of invertebrate parasites, and generally isn't useful for bacteria or viruses.

No, but I believe the idea is to damage the ticks before the exposure to the bacteria/viruses and thus minimise/prevent it.

Re: How to survive boiling water

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Post by ChiperSoft »

Aachen wrote: post #69

> about 7 out of 10 people in the U.S. were prescribed antibiotics in 2024 according to . This blew my mind so I double checked the source. It links to https://www.cdc.gov/antibiotic-use/hcp/data-research/antibio... which contains some numbers but not the claim. It links to various reports, the latest one (2024 at the time of writing) https://www.cdc.gov/antibiotic-use/media/pdfs/2024-Annual-Re... says at the top of…

There was a particularly nasty strain of pneumonia going around in early 2024. That may have played a role.

Re: How to survive boiling water

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Post by 6177c40f »

throwuxiytayq wrote: post #98
6177c40f wrote: post #73

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However, to bring it full circle, Deinococcus radiodurans does not form spores!

That’s fine, I’d be content with having just the DNA repair nanobots, I don’t need to form spores.

Suit yourself, I often wish I could form spores, desiccate, and rehydrate at a more appealing time.

Re: How to survive boiling water

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Post by defrost »

6177c40f wrote: post #114
throwuxiytayq wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s fine, I’d be content with having just the DNA repair nanobots, I don’t need to form spores.

Suit yourself, I often wish I could form spores, desiccate, and rehydrate at a more appealing time.

Well, photophosphorylate me all night long

~ Mae West, Little Shop of Horrors, Broadway (1958)

Re: How to survive boiling water

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Eisenstein wrote: post #108
Aachen wrote: post #103

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How would that help? It never says water, always steam, and it needs to get in all crevices evenly which afaik is easier with a gas than a liquid. If the steam condenses to water (for example due to raising its boiling point above the autoclave's temperature of ~125°C) that'd probably be bad Apparently at 2 bars, water boils at 120°C. The first temperature mentioned on Wikipedia is 121°C. That's awfully close; but el…

> If the steam condenses to water (for example due to raising its boiling point above the autoclave's temperature of ~125°C) that'd probably be bad If water boils at 100C then steam condenses at 99C. If water boils at 120C then steam condenses at 119C. > higher-than-atmospheric atmospheric pressure. What does that mean? > I don't see an explanation that fits all the mentioned facts Is it really a difficult concept? I…

Yes, pressure raises the boiling point.

But if we want it to be steam, isn't that a bad thing?

Don't we want a nice big safety margin between our active steam temperature and the temperature it condenses?

Re: How to survive boiling water

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Post by Eisenstein »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #116
Eisenstein wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the steam condenses to water (for example due to raising its boiling point above the autoclave's temperature of ~125°C) that'd probably be bad If water boils at 100C then steam condenses at 99C. If water boils at 120C then steam condenses at 119C. > higher-than-atmospheric atmospheric pressure. What does that mean? > I don't see an explanation that fits all the mentioned facts Is it really a difficult concept? I…

Yes, pressure raises the boiling point. But if we want it to be steam, isn't that a bad thing ? Don't we want a nice big safety margin between our active steam temperature and the temperature it condenses?

> But if we want it to be steam, isn't that a bad thing?

Not if we want the steam to be hotter.

> Don't we want a nice big safety margin between our active steam temperature and the temperature it condenses?

Water is in one of three states: liquid, gas, solid. It has to be one of those. Where does the margin come from?

Re: How to survive boiling water

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Eisenstein wrote: post #117
Dylan16807 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, pressure raises the boiling point. But if we want it to be steam, isn't that a bad thing ? Don't we want a nice big safety margin between our active steam temperature and the temperature it condenses?

> But if we want it to be steam, isn't that a bad thing? Not if we want the steam to be hotter. > Don't we want a nice big safety margin between our active steam temperature and the temperature it condenses? Water is in one of three states: liquid, gas, solid. It has to be one of those. Where does the margin come from?

You're phrasing that like you're unaware you can keep heating stean after boiling it. Steam can be 100C at 1atm, it can be 125C at 1atm, it can be 500C at 1atm.

Re: How to survive boiling water

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Post by doublepg23 »

zdragnar wrote: post #96
NDlurker wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about ivermectin? I've taken ivermectin prophylactically when traveling because I'm afraid of bed bugs. Pretty sure you can do the same with ticks. Just stop by your local farm supply store and pick up some of that nasty apple flavored horse paste. Just make sure you dose it right. Easy to do. Absolutely disgusting.

Depends on where you are- in most of the US, tick concerns are primarily Lyme's disease or Rocky mountain fever, which are a virus and bacterium. Ivermectin works by interfering with nerve and tissues of invertebrate parasites, and generally isn't useful for bacteria or viruses.

Correct, I would take doxycycline if I found numerous ticks on me- especially if they were embedded.
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