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Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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sterlind wrote: post #46
thephyber wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you find them, let us know. In the US public defenders don't have time to try cases. They are basically plea bargain assistants.

what happens if the defendant pleads not guilty? does the public defender not bother to show up to trial? do they not represent the defendant? what is this charade? I found the verdict here: https://www.canlii.org/en/ns/nspc/doc/2024/2024nspc4/2024nsp... but no transcript is given. it has to be requested, it seems.

Wait so they were also videochatting and the girl saw the actual perpetrator's face at least briefly and this ALSO didn't result in anyone questioning that they got the correct guy?

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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notorandit wrote: post #193

This is not the first time I see people copy-typing text by hand instead of copy-pasting it. I am not sure why they do that, but when I see a DevOps engineer doing it I have a chilling feel.

How is it weird? It's often much faster to re-type a short identifier than to select, copy and paste it.

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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Post by account42 »

angrypie wrote: post #242

So someone at Kik can fabricate a report, and another person is going to be sentenced for life with no evidence?

Yes, it's scary that what a company says in these kinds of cases gets treated as 100% reliable when at the end its still just fallible humans.

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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Post by account42 »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #55

I had never heard of "Kik" so I looked it up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kik_(app) In 2016, CBS News called it "a predator's paradise", and Wikipedia notes that it lacks E2EE while permitting sign-ups without providing any valid contact information.

How is E2EE relevant here. And permitting sign ups with only email or less used to be the standard everywhere. Also according the sentencing [0] the perp and victim initially met on Google+.

[0] https://www.canlii.org/en/ns/nspc/doc/2024/2024nspc4/2024nsp...

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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ktallett wrote: post #174
yieldcrv wrote: post #28

Remember when Saudi Arabia indicted Canada on its human rights and everyone laughed? Got to separate the message from the messenger

Huh? I am not sure Saudi Arabia can hold the moral high ground and this is definitely not the way to do it.

That's what "Got to separate the message from the messenger" refers to. Saudi Arabia's faults do not in any way make the situation in Canada any better.

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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Post by ktallett »

yieldcrv wrote: post #264
ktallett wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but they need to perhaps be more open on their human rights and 9/11 first as well. They can accuse another country who at least will admit they got it wrong. I don't see Saudi doing the same.

Like I wrote, separate the message from the messenger otherwise you would have no idea that Canada is railroading people because you’re waiting for the infallible messenger

You can only seperate the message from the messenger when you don't try to hold the higher ground or compare. Saudi Arabia doesn't need to be mentioned in the original message.

You can simply say, Canada has an issue with this. France has an issue with this.

It is the same when you often see on forums, "It is better in Japan". It isn't a relevant comment and therefore invokes comparison.

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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Post by AnodicElegy »

gruez wrote: post #91
AnodicElegy wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For all but minor offences in Canada, you have the right to a jury trial. Here, the accused elected to be tried by a judge. Most people do.

>Most people do. Why?

I imagine that the perception might be that a judge will approach the case more rationally and technically, whereas the jury might be swayed by sympathy for the victim, biases, etc. To what extent that's true I do not know, but conviction rates are significantly lower in Canada than in the U.S.

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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Post by yieldcrv »

ktallett wrote: post #286
yieldcrv wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like I wrote, separate the message from the messenger otherwise you would have no idea that Canada is railroading people because you’re waiting for the infallible messenger

You can only seperate the message from the messenger when you don't try to hold the higher ground or compare. Saudi Arabia doesn't need to be mentioned in the original message. You can simply say, Canada has an issue with this. France has an issue with this. It is the same when you often see on forums, "It is better in Japan". It isn't a relevant comment and therefore invokes comparison.

That’s what happened, the UN gave the admonishment, and the media pointed out who in the UN said it to discredit it

I’m guessing you aren’t familiar with that news cycle

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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Post by ralferoo »

jibal wrote: post #250
ralferoo wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Residential proxies exist. Even if they had picked up that the IP was from somewhere else, a decent lawyer could probably have been able to convince a jury that just showed intent because he was trying to conceal his IP.

You're talking nonsense. Among other things, had either the prosecution or the defense seen that the IP addresses didn't match, they would have pursued it further. "The IP addresses don't match but that just proves that the defendant tried to hide their IP address" is a ridiculous corrupt argument, one that a decent prosecutor would never make ... please do not ever serve on a jury.

I'm not sure they would have pursued it much TBH. It seems an incorrect username match was already a slam-dunk for the jury. Even if the defence had seen that the IP address was in the wrong location, the prosecution would argue they'd use a residential proxy. It'd be hard to prove or disprove, so it'd probably impact the jury about the same as the IP address being totally in the wrong region - i.e. it'd not be the magic bullet to show his innocence.

Re: A missing underscore sent innocent man to prison for 18 months

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Post by canthonytucci »

account42 wrote: post #282
notorandit wrote: post #193

This is not the first time I see people copy-typing text by hand instead of copy-pasting it. I am not sure why they do that, but when I see a DevOps engineer doing it I have a chilling feel.

How is it weird? It's often much faster to re-type a short identifier than to select, copy and paste it.

They’re talking about likelihood of a typo, not speed.
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