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Re: Delayed Gratification – Proud to Be 'Last to Breaking News'

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Post by pavon »

Seattle3503 wrote: post #33
petercooper wrote: post #31

I was subscribed to this. It's beautifully designed, well written, good paper stock, the works. If the idea appeals to you, it's worth trying. Ultimately, it didn't work for me, but that's my fault. Despite my best intentions, it turned out I wasn't interested in reading about world affairs beyond the news cycle.

Did they show the same news as everyone, but later? That seems like it doesn't fully leverage the format. The format seems like it would be good for things that are subtle and got overlooked at the time. But I guess maybe the normal news cycle can surface those same things when they reach a breaking point.

I disagree. I think there are quite a few weekly/monthly papers that focus on long-form dives on select topics, like the print versions of the Economist, Atlantic, Harper, etc. However, I found that when I was using them as my main source of news I would have large gaps in my awareness of important events that had occurred. I felt like those magazines were best as a supplement, not a replacement - but I'm not a news junkie and was trying to decrease the time spent reading the news without being uninformed. They weren't helpful in that regard (exception - Economist was good enough summary of international news, but not domestic).

I really do just want the same news, condensed and distilled, instead of blow-by-blow details padded to maximize engagement, and I haven't found it anywhere.

Edit: I see Delayed Gratification is quarterly which is probably too delayed to replace primary news and better suited for supplementary deep dives.

Re: Delayed Gratification – Proud to Be 'Last to Breaking News'

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Post by cperciva »

something98 wrote: post #72

Similar to the longer cycle times, I'm curious if there is the equivalent for HN. I like this site, https://www.daemonology.net/hn-daily/ , but it's once-per-day. I'd at least like once-per-week.

I'm guessing you want https://www.daemonology.net/hn-weekly/ then?

Re: Delayed Gratification – Proud to Be 'Last to Breaking News'

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Post by leonidasrup »

BeetleB wrote: post #96
openasocket wrote: post #51

One thing that has really frustrated me with "mainstream media" in the last few years is that the level of effort being put into journalism seems to be on decline. I feel like half of the news articles are just a collection of quotes from officials or politicians in public statements, being regurgitated without any additional effort. Outrageous claims are just taken at face value, or at best just put alongside quotes…

How much money are you directly paying per month to news organizations? News organizations have been in decline for a few decades because of two reasons: 1. Lack of ad revenue (all vacuumed up by Google) 2. Loss of subscribers because they can get free news online Don't expect quality from people not being paid much.

News organizations have been in decline for a few decades, but the relationship of news organizations with the current US goverment has been shaped by the current president.

"Donald Trump frequently attacks the American media as having a left-wing bias and being "corrupt", and also uses a variety of insults when speaking about outlets that give him unfavorable coverage. Trump has sued various media outlets for perceived inaccuracies or biases, and has used his position as president to pressure outlets he dislikes by interfering in their business operations, launching investigations, threatening to revoke broadcast licenses, and cutting funding for public broadcasting."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_conflict_with...

Re: Delayed Gratification – Proud to Be 'Last to Breaking News'

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Post by lynx97 »

BeetleB wrote: post #96
openasocket wrote: post #51

One thing that has really frustrated me with "mainstream media" in the last few years is that the level of effort being put into journalism seems to be on decline. I feel like half of the news articles are just a collection of quotes from officials or politicians in public statements, being regurgitated without any additional effort. Outrageous claims are just taken at face value, or at best just put alongside quotes…

How much money are you directly paying per month to news organizations? News organizations have been in decline for a few decades because of two reasons: 1. Lack of ad revenue (all vacuumed up by Google) 2. Loss of subscribers because they can get free news online Don't expect quality from people not being paid much.

I life in a country where we have a mandatory monthly fee for the state-run media outlet. Its roughly 2x a youtube premium. And quality of said outlet is still declining with everyone else. Pretty non-critical reporting, basically forwarding of what others have claimed. Typos, questionable headlines which get corrected half an hour later. I refute your claim. Its not about financing. Journalists have just become very lazy. Mainstream media deserves the same "I vote with my wallet" treatment as everyone else. And the state forcing me to pay for a specific outlet is just so broken, I am questioning the sanity of our politicians. But lobbying helps I guess. Instead of doing a good/great job, the new tactics is to insist that "you" are an indispensible part of democracy, even though you aren't doing any critical reporting anymore...

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Post by michaelmrose »

fsckboy wrote: post #160
NikolaNovak wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a mixture of BBC, cnn, al jazeera, economist, will get a casual reader to a decent spot, and they're all mainstream media. Possibly guardian but emlarhically not their opinion pages (I agree with them, but even so they're gratingly opinionated, hate to think what a die hard conservative will think of them :)

BBC, CNN, and al jazeera are complete trash. Economist always was good but I have not read it in a while so I can't speak to it. If it has not changed, that would be great.

Let's pick one. Why is the BBC trash?

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Post by partyficial »

openasocket wrote: post #51

One thing that has really frustrated me with "mainstream media" in the last few years is that the level of effort being put into journalism seems to be on decline. I feel like half of the news articles are just a collection of quotes from officials or politicians in public statements, being regurgitated without any additional effort. Outrageous claims are just taken at face value, or at best just put alongside quotes…

> half of the news articles are just a collection of quotes from officials or politicians in public statements, being regurgitated without any additional effort

that is EXACTLY what i want in news.

i do not want your summarization opinion out-of-context clickbait eye-catching headline snippet.

just be a parrot.

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Post by avaer »

partyficial wrote: post #166
openasocket wrote: post #51

One thing that has really frustrated me with "mainstream media" in the last few years is that the level of effort being put into journalism seems to be on decline. I feel like half of the news articles are just a collection of quotes from officials or politicians in public statements, being regurgitated without any additional effort. Outrageous claims are just taken at face value, or at best just put alongside quotes…

> half of the news articles are just a collection of quotes from officials or politicians in public statements, being regurgitated without any additional effort that is EXACTLY what i want in news. i do not want your summarization opinion out-of-context clickbait eye-catching headline snippet. just be a parrot.

Parroting seems like the same thing ("out-of-context clickbait eye-catching headline snippet"), except without any checks or oversight.

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Post by nakedneuron »

Funes- wrote: post #94
openasocket wrote: post #51

One thing that has really frustrated me with "mainstream media" in the last few years is that the level of effort being put into journalism seems to be on decline. I feel like half of the news articles are just a collection of quotes from officials or politicians in public statements, being regurgitated without any additional effort. Outrageous claims are just taken at face value, or at best just put alongside quotes…

>the level of effort being put into journalism seems to be on decline Under late stage capitalism, the main driver in any industry, not just journalism, is unscrupulous opportunism. Profit comes first, at the cost of everything else, including, of course, effort and sincere expression.

Isn't it also true that a quick buck can be made on the stock market with these news?

Now Trump offers privileged access to his "tweets" for money.

Late stage capitalism indeed.

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Post by goatlover »

ericjmorey wrote: post #115
fyltr wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

isn't this an attempt at 'neutral journalism'? I am not old enough to be able to compare to what journalism might once have been, but it seems that the current trend in journalism is to be as factual as possible, without adding in one's own biases. Also, I often hear stuff like: don't put too much weight on what X says, he was wrong about Y. Lower journalist wages, a need for immediate reporting that undermines in-de…

"current trend in journalism is to be as factual as possible, without adding in one's own biases" The facts chosen to include in a report are chosen with bias. There's no neutral subset of facts about any event.

That view tends toward sophistry and relativism. It can't be true that no event has a neutral subset of facts. If I'm reporting on some discovery in astronomy or math, what biased facts would I be choosing? There would need to be some sort of controversy about the discovery where choosing some subset of the facts supports one side over the other. But this assumes both sides have an equal claim on the facts, which is often not the case.

And while humans can't be without bias, there is a big difference between trying to be factual while leaving your biases aside, and having an agenda or outright reporting propaganda.

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Post by avaer »

openasocket wrote: post #51

One thing that has really frustrated me with "mainstream media" in the last few years is that the level of effort being put into journalism seems to be on decline. I feel like half of the news articles are just a collection of quotes from officials or politicians in public statements, being regurgitated without any additional effort. Outrageous claims are just taken at face value, or at best just put alongside quotes…

Look at how many times the current government has tried to shut down reporting that didn't tow the current party line. Selective access, prosecutions, lawsuits, threats to block mergers, comedians being cancelled while the administration cheers, there's a (s)hitlist of journalists on the whitehouse site, etc.

It probably has something to do with the decline of quality journalism.

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