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Underwater oxygen loss threatens earth's stability, researchers warn

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Re: Underwater oxygen loss threatens earth's stability, researchers warn

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Have we ever as a species successfully changed our behavior on a scale needed to address something like climate change and underwater oxygen loss? What would be the closest “we’ve got to change or perish” moment we’ve successfully navigated?

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> not when the proposed solution is some kind of global authoritarian communism

Please make an effort to engage more substantially with reality, especially on this forum.

Re: Underwater oxygen loss threatens earth's stability, researchers warn

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Oxigen is ALSO, and perhaps in vast quantities produced at the bottom of the ocean, by lumps of metal that react with sea water (aka Dark Oxygen). Interestingly, there are now massive marine harvesting operations targeting that very ore. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-discove...

it wont matter how much oxygen you try to dissolve, if the temperature is too high you wont hold enough dissolved oxygen to allow aquatic life.

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gases-solubility-water-d_...

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dumping nutrients into ocean funnily helps ocean ecosystems to get more productive. who could have thought, eh?

It's not clear if you're just trolling or don't understand the problem. It's real, and documented: https://mississippiriverdelta.org/learning/explaining-the-gu... If it's a thirst for librul teers, sorry to disappoint you.

So what, it switches to low-oxy. It does not even hold long enough to develop an anaerobic biogeocenosis.

This is normal. This is how our Earth the planet works.

I do not know why you think only aerobic biota has a divine right to live.

Do you now feel yourself not completely intellectually honest?

Re: Underwater oxygen loss threatens earth's stability, researchers warn

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Have we ever as a species successfully changed our behavior on a scale needed to address something like climate change and underwater oxygen loss? What would be the closest “we’ve got to change or perish” moment we’ve successfully navigated?

Lead in gasoline? https://ourworldindata.org/leaded-gasoline-phase-out

Re: Underwater oxygen loss threatens earth's stability, researchers warn

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We did a reasonable job with ozone depletion, but that has much lower costs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion

The cost of not addressing it is more distributed: at some point you can't go outside anymore since the UV index is so high, sunscreen can't block high-intensity UV-B and UV-C, plants get damaged to the point of catastrophic crop failures... you can live in denial about climate change in developed countries (for a limited time anyway) but ozone affects everyone.

True but at the time the ozone hole was mostly over the Antarctic so the average person didn't feel its effects which wouldn't then contribute to the change in policy.

Re: Underwater oxygen loss threatens earth's stability, researchers warn

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I think that the banng of HFCs is a pretty good example of collective action. Also, it's important to realize that climate change, as we best understand it right now, is not a "or perish" type of situation. RCP8.5 has now been soundly eliminated from the set of potential climate trajectories, so what we're left with is a question of 1) how much mass migration will be forced upon the world, with concomitant wars and s…

No matter how poor you think the US is, the average person in the rest of the world is indeed poorer.

True, but most people don't think about why that is the case. They'll blame slavery (abolished over 160 years ago), or the "exploitation" by capitalists (that produce wealth for all). Some may claim that the US has more natural resources, but The US is rich because of the freedoms and rights that our citizens have. Look at the poverty of the Soviet Union or Mao's China, or in Cuba today.

I cannot for the life of me understand the increasing popularity of socialism and communism in the US today. Those forms of government have a proven track record of failure.

Re: Underwater oxygen loss threatens earth's stability, researchers warn

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Have we ever as a species successfully changed our behavior on a scale needed to address something like climate change and underwater oxygen loss? What would be the closest “we’ve got to change or perish” moment we’ve successfully navigated?

Food? I.E. avoiding population collapse due to lack of ecosystem carrying capacity? Eliminating famine? etc.

the kind of changes that were required to avoid massive famines also rely on chemical fertilizer. aaand.... "the production of chemical fertilizers, particularly synthetic nitrogen-based ones, is a highly energy-intensive process that creates significant amounts of carbon dioxide"

Re: Underwater oxygen loss threatens earth's stability, researchers warn

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Oxigen is ALSO, and perhaps in vast quantities produced at the bottom of the ocean, by lumps of metal that react with sea water (aka Dark Oxygen). Interestingly, there are now massive marine harvesting operations targeting that very ore. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-discove...

Deep-sea mining has been studied and foreseen for at least 50 years, but it's never been economical. It is possible that current technology will allow for mining of nodules, but this still seems unlikely to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_sea_mining#History

Re: Underwater oxygen loss threatens earth's stability, researchers warn

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Instead of immediately making this an us vs them with theoretical climate deniers how about we focus on talking about how to improve science communication so that the article isn't something simultaneously dense and vague enough to be easily dismissed. I'll pick on the US, because blaming India and China will incite their little public defenders to bury the thread. The Gulf of Mexico is currently downstream of the US…

I’m confused, why was parent flagged?
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