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Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by dredmorbius »

mos_basik wrote: post #869
alwa wrote: post #858

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suspicious, maybe; but not criminal (like lying to a federal officer in the course of an investigation, or willfully destroying what they’re lawfully trying to search). Probably even more suspicious if you make sketchy excuses when the truth is fine. I’d go with “I (or %COMPANY%) figure electronic devices get imaged at borders or potentially stolen abroad, so we don’t carry them when we travel.” Blame the other count…

>YOU’RE STILL GONNA BE MOSSAD'ED UPON Thanks for that, it's been a few years and I'd forgotten about this.

"This World of Ours"by James Mickens, from Usenix January 2014, for the unfamiliar:

https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1401_08-12_mickens.pdf> (PDF)

Truth-in-parody.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by handedness »

ktallett wrote: post #935
handedness wrote: post #895

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti-forensics just isn't a focus of the Qubes OS project. Beyond a typical LUKS/dm-crypt FDE implementation, there isn't much else in the way of protections. There have been some community efforts around it to make some relatively minor enhancements. Once you've decrypted the disk, the contents of every permanent Qube is there for the taking, and it would be up to the user to further secure any data within specific…

You can use a disposable Qube every time.

Disposable Qubes are not intended to be robustly anti-forensic in nature. Implementing robust anti-forensic measures in stateful hardware requires far more from the hardware layer than is on offer.

There have been and are some community efforts towards mitigations, but nothing remotely approaching what three (soon to be four) specific phone architectures provide.

Qubes OS is many wonderful things, but it is not particularly anti-forensic. If anti-forensics on PC hardware is the primary intention behind disposable VMs, there are better options.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by salad-tycoon »

epolanski wrote: post #536
rustyhancock wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also quite surprising that all socials need to be declared. And presumably them AI vetted in time for you to get to the border.

You also have to provide every single email account you have used in the last ten years, all of them, forgetting to declare one is an offense. There's no chances I can remember them all, especially as I've been contracting and get a new email every 3-4 months or so.

Or like me, I use disposable emails via simplelogin (?) and iCloud hide my email. I have hundreds. “Roflz” but I’m a citizen so guess I’m okay?

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by Cider9986 »

epolanski wrote: post #543
whack wrote: post #529

> US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search > It's concerning – and sends the message that [GrapheneOS] is criminal by default What's with this sensationalism? The GrapheneOS phone didn't just wipe itself - the defendant actively took steps to wipe it. The defendant isn't being prosecuted "by default" for having a GrapheneOS phone. He is being prosecuted for what he actively chose to do wi…

Doesn't matter, increasingly law enforcement is treating nicher secure OSs as a sign of illegal activity.

We need more users. iOS is similarly hardened but calling iOS users criminals wouldn't go over well.

He was not harrased for using Grapheneos, but for protesting cop city in Atlanta.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by Cider9986 »

dopamean wrote: post #726

I'd love a feature where if you enter a specific passcode it unlocks the phone into a different account that has curated things in it. Pictures, some pre-approved apps, etc. So you look like you've cooperated but you haven't really.

Not possible unfortunately due to low level SSD architecture[1] and other reasons:

https://nitter.net/GrapheneOS/status/2082153517234676150#m

[1] https://veracrypt.io/en/Trim%20Operation.html

https://veracrypt.io/en/Wear-Leveling.html

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Post by Cider9986 »

gcanyon wrote: post #636

I'm not doing anything the government should be worried about. Nevertheless my pin has for a long time been longer than standard, specifically on the very long-shot possibility someone decides they want to crack it. Anyone know if this is a viable strategy on iOS, and what the required pin-length is these days?

It's viable depending on iPhone modernity and OS updatedness. 11 and 12s have unpatchable exploits.

Make sure to get to BFU though through restarting.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by Cider9986 »

Tepix wrote: post #302

Perhaps we need the following feature: Before entering the airport you set your device to auto-wipe after x hours. Once you are sitting in the airplane and flying, you cancel the scheduled automatic wipe.

Not possible due to not being a reliable software feature. It would have to be in the hardware.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by Cider9986 »

jojohohanon wrote: post #291

It seems to me that this should have been a case of steganography? Instead of wiping it clean, wipe to innocuous mode. Then the burden on their part is not only to show that I gave a bad pun, but that the innocuous mode is materially different than the previous state.

Not possible unfortunately due to low level SSD architecture[1] and other reasons:

https://nitter.net/GrapheneOS/status/2082153517234676150#m

[1] https://veracrypt.io/en/Trim%20Operation.html

https://veracrypt.io/en/Wear-Leveling.html

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by Cider9986 »

amelius wrote: post #350

Why didn't the device shadow-ban the user instead of wiping the device upon entering the wrong PIN? Of course TSA agents become angry when they enter the PIN and see a message "wiping device".

Not possible unfortunately due to low level SSD architecture[1] and other reasons:

https://nitter.net/GrapheneOS/status/2082153517234676150#m

[1] https://veracrypt.io/en/Trim%20Operation.html

https://veracrypt.io/en/Wear-Leveling.html

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by Cider9986 »

Markoff wrote: post #628
aucisson_masque wrote: post #540

You wouldn't be surprised if that happened when traveling to China or any other autocratic country. I think the issue is that people expect the USA to be the "land of freedom" when it's not anymore. It's turning more and more into an oligarchy and we are at the point where it's just as bad as russia or china. If i was offered a trip to China or russia, i'd go but i would take a burner phone with absolutely nothing im…

No, as someone who lived in China for years (as foreigner) and visited also last year after many years I WOULD BE SURPRISED if this happened when travelling to China, since China is clearly more free than US/Israel. China wants tourists and don't care about your stupid social media.

True, they focus their oppression on their own citizens and minorities for the most part.
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