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Kimi Linear: An Expressive, Efficient Attention Architecture (2025)

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Re: Kimi Linear: An Expressive, Efficient Attention Architecture (2025)

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Does any expert in the field know whether it is really the case that this intelligence we are seeing with frontier models is an "emerging" phenomena, only coming up when the architecture is scaled? Like isn't it weird that the 1 million parameter model with the same architecture can't solve basic puzzles but suddenly the 1 trillion parameter can conjure up counter-examples for the Jacobian conjecture? It's unintuitiv…

> one of the basic tenants of algorithm development was that you can't just brute-force your way towards a solution for some complex problems It's kind of sad that popular CS textbooks often focus on solving precise problems with lowest theoretical complexity bounds while ignoring more practical (but generally applicable) computation techniques. In machine learning they call it "gradient descent", which in older days…

In my math syllabus for Engineering there was a book "numeric analysis", it showed how you could find the solution to weird equations like x=ln(x)

I thought this is nowadays called gradient descent

Re: Kimi Linear: An Expressive, Efficient Attention Architecture (2025)

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Does any expert in the field know whether it is really the case that this intelligence we are seeing with frontier models is an "emerging" phenomena, only coming up when the architecture is scaled? Like isn't it weird that the 1 million parameter model with the same architecture can't solve basic puzzles but suddenly the 1 trillion parameter can conjure up counter-examples for the Jacobian conjecture? It's unintuitiv…

There was a presentation at CS 25 Transformers United about some phenomena like chain-of-thought emerging only after training LLMs with at least 1T tokens and only in LLMs of certain size.

https://youtu.be/tVtOevLrt5U?t=923

Re: Kimi Linear: An Expressive, Efficient Attention Architecture (2025)

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This is actually a well-known phenomenon in ML, called "The Bitter Lesson". > One thing that should be learned from the bitter lesson is the great power of general purpose methods, of methods that continue to scale with increased computation even as the available computation becomes very great. The two methods that seem to scale arbitrarily in this way are search and learning. The full essay is worth a read, it's pre…

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Out of curiousity, I like security just as much as the next guy and ensure that certs are valid, ciphers are fresh, and protocols are mature, but I am also not really concerned with an informational site that runs http being browsed. Would you mind sharing what your concern would be with browsing this content over http?

Re: Kimi Linear: An Expressive, Efficient Attention Architecture (2025)

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This is actually a well-known phenomenon in ML, called "The Bitter Lesson". > One thing that should be learned from the bitter lesson is the great power of general purpose methods, of methods that continue to scale with increased computation even as the available computation becomes very great. The two methods that seem to scale arbitrarily in this way are search and learning. The full essay is worth a read, it's pre…

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extremely HN comment

Re: Kimi Linear: An Expressive, Efficient Attention Architecture (2025)

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the page is nearly just a .txt file.

the reason for https is MITM injection, regardless of original content

So what? Are you worried someone replaces the txt with a different txt?

Re: Kimi Linear: An Expressive, Efficient Attention Architecture (2025)

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Out of curiousity, I like security just as much as the next guy and ensure that certs are valid, ciphers are fresh, and protocols are mature, but I am also not really concerned with an informational site that runs http being browsed. Would you mind sharing what your concern would be with browsing this content over http?

MITM injection by your ISP or government

Re: Kimi Linear: An Expressive, Efficient Attention Architecture (2025)

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the reason for https is MITM injection, regardless of original content

So what? Are you worried someone replaces the txt with a different txt?

what if they add js?

Re: Kimi Linear: An Expressive, Efficient Attention Architecture (2025)

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> chinese models are less censored Tried spicy geopolitical dispute questions?

Yes, and they aren't a problem. I get tired of people claiming this. Go download Qwen 3.6 and run it yourself and fire away.

This is true, most of the "censorship" is applied at the API level. A lot of providers even on OpenRouter for Chinese models aren't censored.
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