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Now is the time to give LLMs access to the ACM digital library

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Re: Now is the time to give LLMs access to the ACM digital library

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Post by 20k »

bonoboTP wrote: post #55
20k wrote: post #53

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AI reproduces copyrighted work exactly in many cases, so it clearly infringes copyright in this sense The output of it is also a derivative work, and derivative works also infringe copyright. Its only not a problem if you ignore copyright entirely Humans are the only entities that get to enjoy special idea-learning-exemptions, not AI

The verbatim reproduction is clearly a red herring and not the main use case. Nobody reads novels (or science papers) by prompting ChatGPT to give the next paragraph. Derivative work or transformative? It's not the same.

AI code generation often outputs exact copies of code that exists in the wild. I've seen it output chunks from research papers unprompted as well, its a big problem, or blending two papers together in a salad

AI works also clearly aren't transformative in many cases. If you ask it a question about a paper, it'll quote bits of the paper at you. That serves as an exact substitute of the original work. If you ask it for song lyrics, or information about the news, its content is a direct substitute for the original source it was trained on. This clearly does not fall under a transformative use case

You could argue that some uses of it are transformative, but even then - its easy to find some piece of training data in the source code that the output work supersedes. By its very nature it does not have the capacity to genuinely invent under the law (as it is not human), and a prompt isn't a significant enough part of the processing to count here

Re: Now is the time to give LLMs access to the ACM digital library

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Post by moi2388 »

Cynddl wrote: post #32

As a researcher with many articles in the ACM library, I have to say this is a masterclass in hypocrisy. Obviously, lawyers can decipher the terms of ACM publishing contracts and Creative Commons licences to determine if this will be acceptable or not. But ACM is not a company, it's a non-profit founded in 1947 to represent scientists. I would be surprised if a majority of ACM members were to say yes should we ask th…

You mean the knowledge you gathered with public grants, with a public paid salary, yet don’t want to make freely available to the public?

Yeah, too bad

Re: Now is the time to give LLMs access to the ACM digital library

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Post by 20k »

hparadiz wrote: post #59
bonoboTP wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The verbatim reproduction is clearly a red herring and not the main use case. Nobody reads novels (or science papers) by prompting ChatGPT to give the next paragraph. Derivative work or transformative? It's not the same.

Suddenly it's "copyright infringement" to count the amount of times one word occurs after another word. I find this whole thing so amusing.

AI has the capacity to exactly reproduce its training data, just because something is a transformed representation does not mean that it isn't copying it in some fashion. The JPEG format 'just' counts the frequencies in an 8x8 block of pixels, and yes that's 100% copyright infringement

Re: Now is the time to give LLMs access to the ACM digital library

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Post by hparadiz »

20k wrote: post #63
hparadiz wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suddenly it's "copyright infringement" to count the amount of times one word occurs after another word. I find this whole thing so amusing.

AI has the capacity to exactly reproduce its training data, just because something is a transformed representation does not mean that it isn't copying it in some fashion. The JPEG format 'just' counts the frequencies in an 8x8 block of pixels, and yes that's 100% copyright infringement

The courts don't agree with you and I don't either. Now what?

Re: Now is the time to give LLMs access to the ACM digital library

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Post by aatd86 »

layer8 wrote: post #42
aatd86 wrote: post #37

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As long as we are going toward a world of abundance where money doesn't mean much and the main currency is time, I can't complain. I will subsidize that with my brain power turned into ink on paper.

It’s pretty clear that the premise won’t be becoming reality.

Well, once there is no more jobs, or once a large enough number of people are made redundant, it will mechanically happen. Future is all about research and entertainment. That is why tiktok stars and soccer players get so much money. All that being based on DARPA research, I mean the internet. People just want to have fun. Du pain et des jeux.

Re: Now is the time to give LLMs access to the ACM digital library

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Post by aatd86 »

atoav wrote: post #49
aatd86 wrote: post #37

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As long as we are going toward a world of abundance where money doesn't mean much and the main currency is time, I can't complain. I will subsidize that with my brain power turned into ink on paper.

Abundance for whom, exactly? And if the answer is everybody : who in charge has an incentive to do this? Sorry to ruin your day, but if the people with money could have introduce equal society, you would have noticed their attempts by now.

Abundance for everyone or it is not abundance. With abundance, the field gets levelled because everything someone else can get, you can too. Society can't be equal when everyone is in survival of the fittest mode because resources (energy) are not infinite.

Re: Now is the time to give LLMs access to the ACM digital library

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Post by bonoboTP »

sharts wrote: post #54
bonoboTP wrote: post #34

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If you don't hold a patent for the use of the knowledge you published publicly, you can't prevent others from using the knowledge. You enjoy the prestige attached to the idea that you're an academic who participates in giving away their knowledge but then you play this game when that knowledge would actually be useful as opposed to being read by 3 other people in your special area who sit on your various committees i…

Patents shouldn’t exist.

Patents were invented to incentivize disclosure of inventions and prevent extended secrecy. In exchange for the public disclosure (which allows others to experiment with the idea without selling yet), you get to keep exclusivity for N years.

Re: Now is the time to give LLMs access to the ACM digital library

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Post by aatd86 »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #38
aatd86 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as we are going toward a world of abundance where money doesn't mean much and the main currency is time, I can't complain. I will subsidize that with my brain power turned into ink on paper.

well, we are not, so far it is just concentrating wealth and power in smaller and smaller subset of people

Yes and then continue your reasoning... Is this sustainable? What do you think it leads to?
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