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Kimi K3 Architecture Overview and Notes

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Re: Kimi K3 Architecture Overview and Notes

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Interesting that they went NoPE everywhere — everyone else hedges with RoPE in the local layers. Feels like the linear-attention stuff (Kimi Delta) is quietly doing the positional work so they can get away with it. Curious to see if it holds up at frontier scale.

It has some weird side effects though. for example KV-caches are implemented in fixed incremental token blocks (1024 from the providers I used) instead of simply caching up to the most recent input prompt input. It results in up to 1023 additional input (cache miss) tokens per inference.

Sounds a lot like running the Qwen3.5/3.6-series models at home: you need checkpoints for the recurrent state (GDN in the case of Qwen). You avoid the miss for the common case of 100% prefix match (e.g. during interleaved tool calls and thinking) by keeping an additional checkpoint for the actual last generated token. If you're a cloud provider serving many concurrent clients then you might prefer to skip that complexity and always take the 1k worst-case prefill hit.

SWA has a similar issue. Unless you keep the entire KV prefix lying around (which is not unreasonable: you retain flop + bandwidth benefits but lose capacity benefits), you need to start 1 window back from the rollback point, in order to refill the sliding window before going into normal prefill.

Re: Kimi K3 Architecture Overview and Notes

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Interesting that they went NoPE everywhere — everyone else hedges with RoPE in the local layers. Feels like the linear-attention stuff (Kimi Delta) is quietly doing the positional work so they can get away with it. Curious to see if it holds up at frontier scale.

This comment smells LLM generated.

"Quietly"

Re: Kimi K3 Architecture Overview and Notes

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Interesting that they went NoPE everywhere — everyone else hedges with RoPE in the local layers. Feels like the linear-attention stuff (Kimi Delta) is quietly doing the positional work so they can get away with it. Curious to see if it holds up at frontier scale.

This comment smells LLM generated.

Screams it in fact

Re: Kimi K3 Architecture Overview and Notes

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Interesting that they went NoPE everywhere — everyone else hedges with RoPE in the local layers. Feels like the linear-attention stuff (Kimi Delta) is quietly doing the positional work so they can get away with it. Curious to see if it holds up at frontier scale.

This comment smells LLM generated.

Huh, which model? I didn't pick up any of the tells. It seemed normal enough to me. (I vouched it, oops.)
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