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New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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Which is in fact panic that teens are not having enough children, because that's where we have seen big drops... This whole "panic" seemed weird from the start, but once it becomes clear that it's from the lack of teen pregnancies it takes on an even creepier Epstein-like oddness.

It is entirely possible to believe multiple things at once: 1. The drop is fertility is bad for society 2. The drop in teen pregnancy is good, despite it's contributions to 1 3. We should try to fix 1. without undoing 2.

Fundamentalists, and others who abhor birth control, demonstrate pretty regularly that they have no issue with Teen Pregnancy, but rather unmarried teen pregnancy.

They want married teen pregnancy. By their own admission.

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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You could say the same about teen pregnancy being a practically solved problem, except there is still the problem of teen pregnancy. Or even something more mundane as driving consistently safely all the time to solve the problem of accidents. If everyone was disciplined all the time in regard to everything, many problems in the world would simply not exist. But we live in reality where for whatever reason, people don…

Taking teen pregnancy as an example: we have the tools to avoid it. We have condoms, we have birth control, we have the morning after pill, we have abortion. We have all the tools -- are more tools really going to help? The fact that teen pregnancy is still an issue is not because we lack the tools to solve it. HIV prevention is similar. We already have the tools. We have condoms. We have PrEP. Sure, a vaccine would…

Unfortunately HIV is not a solved problem.

Condoms? They break. More frequently than you might think.

Truvada and Descovy are great and make a big difference, but they require either high adherence to taking pills daily or being able to plan ahead for 2-1-1 (for same-sex relations - it's effectiveness for heterosexual intercourse hasn't been determined).

Apretude and Lenacapavir obviously require getting to a doctor or someone who can give you the injection either every other month or twice a year, is expensive, and can be very painful for some days afterward. And, of course, they're expensive.

A vaccine is the only real option for dealing with HIV for good.

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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It's a solved problem if you are someone that knows you'll be exposed to HIV in the very near future and you have the money and wherewithal to purchase PrEP before that event (and you can plan the event 7 days out). The power of a vaccine is you can give it to adults and kids before they are sexually active and protect them, potentially, for the rest of their lives. I'd also be curious to know if the combination of A…

Ad-hoc use of PrEP just requires that you take a double dose 1 hour prior to potential exposure, and follow up with another double dose 24 hours later, at least with the versions commonly prescribed to sexually active groups in my area. I agree that a vaccine is another game-changer, but it’s extremely important that we don’t spread misinformation about the efficacy and convenience of PrEP. In developed societies, it…

At least 2 hours before, not 1, and preferably closer to 24 hours before.

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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Well, they kind of all work that way, it's just that most of the curriculum occurs naturally through interactions with wild pathogens

From what I understand, random interactions with wild pathogens can prime the immune system in the wrong way, leading it down the wrong path. This is why some people can get lucky with immunity and be super resistant to flu, because they happened to luck into a response that targets a common factor in most flu strains. Other people have bad luck and target some area that mutates frequently, and they proceed to get wa…

Right I'm saying it's always path dependent not that it necessarily improves outcomes.

An analogy of this is having the wrong math instruction in middle school could make your math classes harder at the university level.

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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The most interesting point of the article for me is that this vaccine appears to be a series of shots which act as a curriculum for the immune system. Each one slightly different and targeting a different stage of B-cell development. I've never thought of vaccine series working like that, so it was a new and impressive idea.

I do not see what is impressive here at all. The immune system constantly yields new antibodies targeting different epitopes - all the time. THAT is what is impressive, not multi-vaccines trying to induce shifts towards certain epitopes over others.

Are you saying that the result of millions of years of evolution is more impressive than decades of medical research?

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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No, there will always be the threat of teen pregnancy. Conversely, we could wipe out HIV permanently if enough public will across the world was directed toward it. I fully believe that HIV wouldn’t exist if PrEP had come out in the 80s when public hysteria was at an all-time high and the will to eradicate it was present.

We haven’t even managed to wipe out polio, and that is a cheap, lifelong vaccine.

If we gave every living human on the planet the polio vaccine as soon as they were able to receive it, it would still exist in the wild somewhere.

If new generations are not also given the vaccine, it will eventually return.

Probably the same with HIV, although I could see it being somewhat more difficult for that to make a resurgence. If we inoculated the entire human race against it, it could possibly eradicate HIV for several generations, if not permanently.

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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> It will It might . You don't know that.

The epistemic modality of my statement was implied. I obviously don't know the future.

> I obviously don't know the future

Nor the past. Seatbelt requirements did result in riskier driving. It also, on the net, saved lives. Same for every other vaccine, or e.g. birth control in respect of teenage and unwanted pregnancies.

Also, PreP exists and works.

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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> Is someone irresponsible enough to pursue causal, unprotected sex with random partners also likely to be responsible enough to visit a doctor proactively and comply with a prep regimen? Yeah, me. What a wild statement to make. It’s a big world out there, my friend.

You may have missed the word likely.

Did I also miss the part where “likely” was shown to be grounded in anything other than a prejudice about people who have “risky” sex?

Re: New HIV vaccine shows unprecedented success in preclinical study

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Antibiotic resistant syphilis and ghonerrea don't sound like a fun time

More or less fun than dying of AIDS?

Don't move the conversation goalposts (and we don't do "gotchas" here, as you well know)

And AIDS is not considered a death sentence btw. It's not the 1980s

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