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Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by ktm5j »

chpatrick wrote: post #34
eur0pa wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah that does it. Abortion pills are not candies. There's a reason why they are expected to be used in a hospital setting, with medical personnel nearby. If these websites facilitate the distribution of prescription meds, they're no different from other "online pharmacies" and get the same treatment

In Hungary abortion is technically legal but only surgically, and the public health system is mental torture including being forced to listen to the heartbeat of the fetus (thanks to our local fascist party). Women on Web is a million times more humane. It's not like anyone thinks "oh I'm pregnant I'll just pop a pill and it's solved".

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Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by fhdkweig »

altern8 wrote: post #22
fhdkweig wrote: post #9

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I don't know what is going on in Italy, but that's why we are doing it in America.

Oh, a post about Italy. Let's take this opportunity to talk about America :-D

I zeroed in on khalic's mention of "far right populism" which I thought was a universal term, but skrebbel made it sound like that doesn't apply to Italy (but I still think it does), so I clarified.

Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by drnick1 »

petcat wrote: post #28

It's bizarre to me that countries in Europe can just compel their ISPs to block websites completely without any judicial review. That kind of thing would run afoul of all kinds of first amendment litigation in the US. The FBI will occasionally seize a domain, but only after a court order.

The upside of that ISP-enforced bans can be trivially bypassed by using your own DNS or a public DNS like Quad9.

Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by [deleted] »

geremiiah wrote: post #40
fhdkweig wrote: post #4

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Controlling reproduction means controlling women. Controlling women seems to be a high priority for crotchety old men. But that doesn't really answer your question, it just rephrases it. I think it is like anorexia. Someone who has no control over their own lives tries to control the few things they can. An anorexic controls their food, but a married man controls his wife and kids. It makes even the weakest person fe…

This is the kind of rational you arrive to, if you spend too much time in feminist circles and never bother to actually try to understand the other side. I can assure you that nobody thinks in terms of "controlling women".

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Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by [deleted] »

fhdkweig wrote: post #12
philipov wrote: post #10

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I don't think you need an analogy like that to explain why people want to control women. They want to control women for the same reason they want to control men. Is it any mystery why people seek power? Those with power can decide how to distribute the resources of the society in a way that preferences them and their inner circle. Access to reproduction is one of the most basic resources a society has available. It i…

I don't think they are trying to control men. I'm not seeing any evidence of that. When I see a law that attacks women, it is very clearly targeted towards women, but I don't see anything that clearly targets men.

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Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by philipov »

lelanthran wrote: post #39
fhdkweig wrote: post #12

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I don't think they are trying to control men. I'm not seeing any evidence of that. When I see a law that attacks women, it is very clearly targeted towards women, but I don't see anything that clearly targets men.

> When I see a law that attacks women, it is very clearly targeted towards women, but I don't see anything that clearly targets men. Drafts? They typically only targeted men, with a large possibility of maiming or death as the result.

"After you get back from the war, your reward will be a wife and household."

Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by Argonaut998 »

khalic wrote: post #2

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Because if you believe this fetus to be a human life then it follows believing that if it is terminated, it is akin to murder/infanticide.

I don't know why people are being so (deliberatively?) reductive ITT.

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Post by skissane »

fhdkweig wrote: post #4
khalic wrote: post #2

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Controlling reproduction means controlling women. Controlling women seems to be a high priority for crotchety old men. But that doesn't really answer your question, it just rephrases it. I think it is like anorexia. Someone who has no control over their own lives tries to control the few things they can. An anorexic controls their food, but a married man controls his wife and kids. It makes even the weakest person fe…

> Controlling reproduction means controlling women. Controlling women seems to be a high priority for crotchety old men.

You ignore that so many leading anti-abortion activists are women. I think for example of Joanna Howe, [0] who is arguably the most prominent activist against abortion rights in contemporary Australia-and far from some “crotchety old man”, she is a 43 year old law professor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Howe

Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by lelanthran »

chpatrick wrote: post #34
eur0pa wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah that does it. Abortion pills are not candies. There's a reason why they are expected to be used in a hospital setting, with medical personnel nearby. If these websites facilitate the distribution of prescription meds, they're no different from other "online pharmacies" and get the same treatment

In Hungary abortion is technically legal but only surgically, and the public health system is mental torture including being forced to listen to the heartbeat of the fetus (thanks to our local fascist party). Women on Web is a million times more humane. It's not like anyone thinks "oh I'm pregnant I'll just pop a pill and it's solved".

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Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by Woshiwuja »

ktm5j wrote: post #41
chpatrick wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Hungary abortion is technically legal but only surgically, and the public health system is mental torture including being forced to listen to the heartbeat of the fetus (thanks to our local fascist party). Women on Web is a million times more humane. It's not like anyone thinks "oh I'm pregnant I'll just pop a pill and it's solved".

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