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Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by throwfaraway135 »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #173
throwfaraway135 wrote: post #53

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The way you've written your comment implies "high trust societies" and (presumably ethnic) "diversity" are opposites. The terms high- and low- trust society come from Fukuyama, who considered ethnically homogenous countries like Korea low-trust, and ethnically diverse countries like the US and Germany high- trust. Please, go more into what you mean about social trust and how it relates to diversity.

Thanks for the Fukuyama reference will look him up more. But my argument is not that homogeneous populations can't be low trust, but that diverse societies are almost always significantly more low trust than their counterparts.

Fukuyama wrote about the US and Germany in 1995 (probably from even earlier experiences) and in that span from 1995 to 2026 in the US and Germany the most prevalent groups percentages went from in 75.6%->56.3% and 91%->70% accordingly coinciding with drastic increase in "low trustiness".

For what it's worth I don't argue about right and wrong here but a clear correlation.

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Post by classified »

windowshopping wrote: post #19

I used to admire that guy. I don't understand why anyone still works at Basecamp with posts like this to be honest. How do people justify it to themselves? Maybe it's just harder to switch jobs now with AI, I don't know.

> How do people justify it to themselves?

Just read the comments in this thread. There are plenty of examples right here.

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Post by andrewflnr »

ChadNauseam wrote: post #232
andrewflnr wrote: post #12

This is trying far too hard to be charitable. Mistake theory is great, and it's good that the article mentions it, but it then also presents sufficient evidence to prove, or at least substantiate, malice. At this point not having "bad feelings toward DHH" is itself a "Missing Mood". At any rate, though, the author took the correct action. Wolves are also pretty important, by the way. Hopefully we all know that by now…

I'd rather be overly charitable 10 times than not charitable enough once. It probably doesn't make me any friends to say it, but let me say why. A slight exaggeration of your view might be that some people are irredeemable mutants who need to be ostracized and can't be reasoned with. I won't stay quiet when I strongly disagree with someone, but I don't need to go that far. I think it's a manifestation of the same ten…

> some people are irredeemable mutants who need to be ostracized and can't be reasoned with

Well, not mutants, but in order to be redeemable or able to be reasoned with, they need to choose to be open to those things. Many choose not to. Some might later change their mind, but likely not because of anything you say.

I do think your mistake is a respectable one, though. Figuring out which people actually deserve ostracization is a rather fine balance and we should certainly err against it.

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Post by busterarm »

tpm wrote: post #244
soco wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they passed anti-begging laws and you say they target Roma people. Now who's making here racial assumptions?

The question would be how exactly the laws target Roma people. What I see in the streets of another European city in a country with a long history of discrimination against Roma people is a lot of Roma beggars. But these are very clearly not local people. They seem to be Romanian and working for an organised ring. If the situation in Denmark is similar and if the laws are targeted against exploitation of disadvantage…

> and if not ECHR will have the last word on that

They actually already did. Dian v Denmark. Ruling that the ban wasn't illegal.

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Post by DicIfTEx »

rpdillon wrote: post #87
flockonus wrote: post #38

I do find the author position to be incoherent in the following regard: 1. believe a statement can be true or false, and false should be called out. 2. believe deportation is morally wrong in certain cases, that is, the law can be selectively broken. I personally believe laws should always be enforced and followed. That eliminates margin for corruption and lenience. A strong law also creates incentive for the populat…

> I personally believe laws should always be enforced and followed. I read an article some years back that really changed my mind about this. It made the point that society evolves through the imperfect enforcement of laws (those some kinds of imperfection, like selective enforcement, are distinctly harmful). That is empirically true, but for some reason I hadn't realized it until the article pointed it out to me.

This one, by Signal creator Moxie Marlinspike, perhaps? https://moxie.org/2013/06/12/we-should-all-have-something-to...

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Post by adamrezich »

Anamon wrote: post #239
adamrezich wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone else here know what this guy is talking about? I think he completely misread my post. I was asking if a black American citizen moving to Oakland had some arbitrary percent chance of becoming homeless after living there for awhile, based on his ethnicity and whatever structural factors Oakland has going for it alone (as implied by the rhetoric elsewhere in the thread). He then turned it into some kind of t…

They're calling you out on asking why the homeless don't just move, ignoring that (a) even the homeless have roots and social networks in the areas they live in, (b) long-distance travel is not trivial for those without financial means, (c) they may not have a reason to move away (what good is it to still be homeless in another town that you don't know?) and possibly other points. Clearly, there are systemic reasons…

> They're calling you out on asking why the homeless don't just move

Please try reading my posts again very carefully rather than assuming my intent. Thank you!

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Post by tpm »

busterarm wrote: post #264
tpm wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question would be how exactly the laws target Roma people. What I see in the streets of another European city in a country with a long history of discrimination against Roma people is a lot of Roma beggars. But these are very clearly not local people. They seem to be Romanian and working for an organised ring. If the situation in Denmark is similar and if the laws are targeted against exploitation of disadvantage…

> and if not ECHR will have the last word on that They actually already did. Dian v Denmark. Ruling that the ban wasn't illegal.

Thank you for that. tldr: the court ruled that Dian was not in a precarious position but was using begging in Denmark as an additional source of income to support his family in Romania (and, reading between the lines, probably to buy drugs) and so Denmark was ok putting him in prison for a few days (after he insulted a police officer too).

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Post by veeti »

y0eswddl wrote: post #254
yreg wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author is complaining about people defecating in public spaces, not about graffiti.

and where should the homeless go when there's no access to public bathrooms and every business is hostile to anyone that can't pay

https://visitorservice.kk.dk/en/explore-copenhagen/public-to...

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

adamrezich wrote: post #266
Anamon wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're calling you out on asking why the homeless don't just move, ignoring that (a) even the homeless have roots and social networks in the areas they live in, (b) long-distance travel is not trivial for those without financial means, (c) they may not have a reason to move away (what good is it to still be homeless in another town that you don't know?) and possibly other points. Clearly, there are systemic reasons…

> They're calling you out on asking why the homeless don't just move Please try reading my posts again very carefully rather than assuming my intent. Thank you!

If multiple people are confused on what you're saying, you should probably clarify with better wording.

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Post by throw47733432 »

tuesdaynight wrote: post #255
borromakot wrote: post #76

It is sad that such a song and dance is required when anyone with half a brain can read the racism in DHH's post. Imagine a scenario that a black family moved into your neighborhood and started causing a bunch of problems. There are no other black people in the neighborhood. It should take you a picosecond to figure out which one of these is obviously racist and which isn't: "We need to remove the black people from o…

I will say something that I made peace with: these are part of the new normal. This one is even light in front of everything else. Look at the supposed most richest person on Earth comments. And it will get worse. I'm seeing political people public calling the ending of the suffrage for women. People sharing memes about Jewish people with the same underlying message as dark web board messages of 2010s. And I'm not ta…

The world’s values have absolutely gone to shit. There may be many contributing factors, but I will say it’s at least in part the fault of the far left pushing too far.

Instead of maintaining the fight with actual racism, thinking that’s gone away, they picked racist fights with everyone else, embracing a form of racism themselves.

They have also sided with misogynistic and racist groups in their extreme search for “tolerance”.

A fresh young mind that comes along can see racism and misogyny promoted on both sides of the spectrum, with the left one a bit more oppressive and hypocritical about it and the right side a bit more self-consistent and hedonistic about it.

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