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Launch HN: Rise Reforming (YC S26) – Turning Waste Gases into Valuable Chemicals

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Re: Launch HN: Rise Reforming (YC S26) – Turning Waste Gases into Valuable Chemicals

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Thanks for the comment and the kind words! That does sound like a pretty cool technology! Is 3-hydroxy-butyrate a specialty chemical? Or would you also end up selling it as a commodity? What does the process look like in going from syngas to 3-hydroxy-butyrate?

It was using genetically modified bacteria via industrial fermentation. It's essentially a specialty chemical used in pharma, automotive, paints & adhesives and theoretically for biodegradable plastics but unfortunately PHB (the plastic you can make out of it) doesn't have great properties. All in all, the 3HB market was pretty small with tight supply chains and not a huge amount of growth. I'm sure you guys will hav…

That sounds like you might have had a pretty similar sales process to what we are going through. What was your experience selling 3HB like?

Re: Launch HN: Rise Reforming (YC S26) – Turning Waste Gases into Valuable Chemicals

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Congrats on everything you've accomplished so far! You emphasize two-sided marketplace so, I'm wondering, from y'alls POV which side is more difficult/which side are you going after harder? Naturally you need to do both, but realistically, one side is always more challenging and more important and it's not always obvious which is which.

Awesome question! I've spent all of my time this summer grinding out both the biogas supply and the chemical offtake and I think it will always be slightly easier to convince someone to let you buy something from them than to get someone to buy something from you. We do also intend to always be ahead on biogas supply volumes (ensuring we have more signed biogas supply than signed chemical offtake). Overall I think th…

How does one reach you privately? Not seeing anything on your HN bio

Re: Launch HN: Rise Reforming (YC S26) – Turning Waste Gases into Valuable Chemicals

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We do it with biogas specifically because it enables us to produce chemicals with a 90% lower carbon footprint. Our thesis has always been that when you combine cheap waste feedstocks and an efficent enough process, you could produce green chemicals that are cost competitive with the fossil alternative. Biogas is the ideal waste feedstock because it gives us a low CI, is produced 24/7 and is quite consistent in its c…

I think the first priority for you should be getting _something_ built and proving your core technology. But you are making it harder for yourself by adding more variables. Natural gas is abundant in some areas and is wasted. If you can prove that you can build cost-efficient small-scale synthesis units, then moving to biogas should later be a no-brainer. I'm also pretty sure that you need to pre-treat the gas to rem…

Really appreciate the critical comments. I'd love to give some insight into how we look at these different ideas.

I wholeheartedly agree that the priority should be to get something built. We are currently in the process of doing that at a wastewater treatment plant. There is obviously additional risk in doing that at a biogas site. We believe we have the team and the technology to achieve that.

We do actually use quite a large amount of the CO2 in the process. An amount of CO2 that would not be present at those methane sites.

The biogas volumes in the U.S. are smaller than the wasted natural gas volumes, however it is still a substantial volume (that could cover the methanol industry 3x-5x over) and it is expected to continue to grow.

Let me know if you have any more comments or questions.

Re: Launch HN: Rise Reforming (YC S26) – Turning Waste Gases into Valuable Chemicals

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I disagree with this, I work in the same field and I left a startup for the exact same reason of what you're proposing. There are a subset of founders probably like these folks and myself who would rather not build anything at all then continue to create BAU and raise money/build a product with the intention of 'one day maybe we'll make it sustainable'. How about RIGHT NOW, how about building things FROM THE GET GO b…

A technology that would reduce the amount of uselessly flared natural gas is going to help in itself. It's not a question of abandoning principles, but starting from something that is easier to do and reducing the risk of not getting _anything_ out.

We are not not interested in flared natural gas sites. It is often just a logistical question of where we are going to get the CO2 from.

Re: Launch HN: Rise Reforming (YC S26) – Turning Waste Gases into Valuable Chemicals

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post #20

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I think the first priority for you should be getting _something_ built and proving your core technology. But you are making it harder for yourself by adding more variables. Natural gas is abundant in some areas and is wasted. If you can prove that you can build cost-efficient small-scale synthesis units, then moving to biogas should later be a no-brainer. I'm also pretty sure that you need to pre-treat the gas to rem…

Really appreciate the critical comments. I'd love to give some insight into how we look at these different ideas. I wholeheartedly agree that the priority should be to get something built. We are currently in the process of doing that at a wastewater treatment plant. There is obviously additional risk in doing that at a biogas site. We believe we have the team and the technology to achieve that. We do actually use qu…

Well, good luck to you!

Catalyst engineering for methane/syngas is extremely tricky and getting it working reliably is always a challenge. Hope you succeed.

Re: Launch HN: Rise Reforming (YC S26) – Turning Waste Gases into Valuable Chemicals

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post #35

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Really appreciate the critical comments. I'd love to give some insight into how we look at these different ideas. I wholeheartedly agree that the priority should be to get something built. We are currently in the process of doing that at a wastewater treatment plant. There is obviously additional risk in doing that at a biogas site. We believe we have the team and the technology to achieve that. We do actually use qu…

Well, good luck to you! Catalyst engineering for methane/syngas is extremely tricky and getting it working reliably is always a challenge. Hope you succeed.

Appreciate the kind words, we are beyond pumped to get to building this thing

Re: Launch HN: Rise Reforming (YC S26) – Turning Waste Gases into Valuable Chemicals

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A technology that would reduce the amount of uselessly flared natural gas is going to help in itself. It's not a question of abandoning principles, but starting from something that is easier to do and reducing the risk of not getting _anything_ out.

We are not not interested in flared natural gas sites. It is often just a logistical question of where we are going to get the CO2 from.

Can you split the pipe and burn a half to generate the electricity and get CO2 for free?

Re: Launch HN: Rise Reforming (YC S26) – Turning Waste Gases into Valuable Chemicals

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A technology that would reduce the amount of uselessly flared natural gas is going to help in itself. It's not a question of abandoning principles, but starting from something that is easier to do and reducing the risk of not getting _anything_ out.

We are not not interested in flared natural gas sites. It is often just a logistical question of where we are going to get the CO2 from.

Yes we could, we have briefly looked into that. Ultimately, it did not make sense for us to pursue that at the time, but it definitely means that if we ever feel the need to expand/pivot into natural gas, that that option is definitely feasible. Thanks for the helpful comment!

Re: Launch HN: Rise Reforming (YC S26) – Turning Waste Gases into Valuable Chemicals

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post #32

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Awesome question! I've spent all of my time this summer grinding out both the biogas supply and the chemical offtake and I think it will always be slightly easier to convince someone to let you buy something from them than to get someone to buy something from you. We do also intend to always be ahead on biogas supply volumes (ensuring we have more signed biogas supply than signed chemical offtake). Overall I think th…

How does one reach you privately? Not seeing anything on your HN bio

I would imagine that sooner or later there will be a business phone number once things really get going.

Land line is still as private as you can get, it's the law.

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