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Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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godwinson__4-8 wrote: post #121
cameldrv wrote: post #74

I’ve seen a lot of people on the internet over the years say things like “the government can’t make x illegal, it’s just y.” For example, the government can’t make wiping your phone at the border illegal, it’s just punching four numbers into your phone, just like a pin, only a different four numbers, which could just have well been your pin. U.S. law though is highly non-autistic and what you were trying to do is jus…

"U.S. law though is highly non-autistic" hilarious but also another point to emphasize is how truly depressing American courts often are. Take the right to a jury. It sounds noble in theory. But when they say judged by your peers they don't mean your actual peers. It's people who couldn't get out of jury duty. Prosecutors have high success rates. Federal prosecutor success rate is over > 90%. Studies of jury psycholo…

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Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by account42 »

willy_k wrote: post #187
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's so much a "misunderstood" statistic as much as a number that people (like the commenter you are replying to) deliberately trot out to use as evidence for their position because they are depending on most people being statistically illiterate. To be clear, I totally agree with your points, I just think this is more of a case of "lying with statistics" than being a misunderstanding.

I think in this case Hanlon’s Razor very much applies. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Only fools invoke Hanlon's Razor for inherently adversarial situations.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by account42 »

spacedudem wrote: post #702
godwinson__4-8 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"U.S. law though is highly non-autistic" hilarious but also another point to emphasize is how truly depressing American courts often are. Take the right to a jury. It sounds noble in theory. But when they say judged by your peers they don't mean your actual peers. It's people who couldn't get out of jury duty. Prosecutors have high success rates. Federal prosecutor success rate is over > 90%. Studies of jury psycholo…

As a convicted felon for the last 25 years without a single incident since I was released. I tell everyone I know to never trust a single thing anyone says if there is any chance you are being looked at for criminal charges. It's "I want a lawyer" and nothing else. Just SHUT THE FUCK UP, don't call me, your parents, someone to bail you out. Call a mother fucking lawyer. Because once you get your sleeve caught up in t…

Is that advice based on you having been convicted despite being not guilty because you said the wrong thing? Or do you just think you could have gotten away with a lawyer despite being guilty?

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by ktallett »

handedness wrote: post #895
ktallett wrote: post #365

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This. Aka a Qubes style isolated image.

Anti-forensics just isn't a focus of the Qubes OS project. Beyond a typical LUKS/dm-crypt FDE implementation, there isn't much else in the way of protections. There have been some community efforts around it to make some relatively minor enhancements. Once you've decrypted the disk, the contents of every permanent Qube is there for the taking, and it would be up to the user to further secure any data within specific…

You can use a disposable Qube every time.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by hn_submit »

inigyou wrote: post #924
hn_submit wrote: post #874

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Not true. He previously ran a site called MegaUpload which hosted copyright infringing files. This is why he created Mega, which is an end-to-end encrypted cloud storage service similar to OneDrive of Google Drive. Even if Mega users host illegal or copyright infringing contents he can't be convicted for it. In fact, he won't even know about it. I'm just amazed that not everyone is using it. People don't seem to know…

But he is still being extradited. I believe he lost his decade long argument of "why the fuck would you extradite me to somewhere I've never set foot for something that isn't actually illegal and where I'd suffer inhumane treatment"

His extradition case has been going on for more than two decades IIRC. He'll die of old age before he's ever extradited to the U.S. There are too many legal avenues to stall and thwart the case and the U.S. doesn't see him as important enough to warrant damaging relations with an ally (New Zealand).

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by mapt »

mapt wrote: post #657
lentil_soup wrote: post #551

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> you may have to think both about protecting your data by technical means, and about not angering the agents more than you plan to That's the same problem with technical solutions to crime. I come from a very dangerous city and I used to have a car that needed a PIN to work. You could turn then engine on and drive but after a minute if you didn't input the PIN it would turn off without warning and start blasting the…

As one does. Why, six of the eleven times I've had my car stolen, it was a carjacking with myself or my family member in it.

This was joking about GP, if that was not clear. A society simply cannot function with the cartoon levels of crime seen in Batman or Grand Theft Auto; People leave for abroad. Planning what you should do after you're kidnapped is a function reserved for if your life is too much of an apocalyptic disaster to plan not to be kidnapped, and even South Africa and El Salvador at their worst levels of unrest were not really at that level.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by cpburns2009 »

mikeweiss wrote: post #132
mh- wrote: post #106

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I favorited the comment for the same reason. It's a perfect way of describing it.

I think it's insulting

It seems the term "autistic", when used colloquially, is changing from meaning "idiot" to meaning "genius".

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by account42 »

cpburns2009 wrote: post #938
mikeweiss wrote: post #132

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I think it's insulting

It seems the term "autistic", when used colloquially, is changing from meaning "idiot" to meaning "genius".

Not "genius" but rather a robot-like social awkwardness.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by account42 »

sandworm101 wrote: post #247
cameldrv wrote: post #74

I’ve seen a lot of people on the internet over the years say things like “the government can’t make x illegal, it’s just y.” For example, the government can’t make wiping your phone at the border illegal, it’s just punching four numbers into your phone, just like a pin, only a different four numbers, which could just have well been your pin. U.S. law though is highly non-autistic and what you were trying to do is jus…

He should have backed up the phone before travelling then wiped the phone to an innocuous state before getting on the plane. Want to see a really confused border agent? Travel without a phone. Fedex your phone to your hotel/home. Read a book on the plane. The concept that someone doesn't have a phone/computer drives cops insane. One of the wikileaks crew pulled this one in NY. Several agencies were a set to grab his…

> He re-imaged them only once he was home and safe.

At that point why send them at all instead of buying a cheap temp phone.

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