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RTX 2080 Ti Memory Upgrade to 22 GB

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Re: RTX 2080 Ti Memory Upgrade to 22 GB

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How do they handle the signature requirement for the VBIOS? I could perform such a mod, but the requirement for a signed VBIOS puts me off. What if timings are wrong, such as with this attempt: https://www.computerbase.de/forum/threads/projekt-rtx3070-um... I guess that's not what they do, as they do not warn of a specific software configuration. Maybe this is why it is only compatible with 2080Ti GPUs?

They specify that the BIOS needs to be patched.

Re: RTX 2080 Ti Memory Upgrade to 22 GB

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HN crowd is treating this as some sort of sorcery. Meanwhile it's just everyday business in China. People send their laptops or graphic cards with soldered RAM and get the device back with double RAM/vRAM. "Brother Zhang" is one of those who operate such a shop: https://youtu.be/TcRGBeOENLg Had such services been more available in the US, I would not have needed to sell a laptop that had 8GM RAM and could no longer h…

I wonder whether (without soldering) replaceable GDDR RAM on graphics cards would really result in such a large speed penalty. System memory often isn't soldered to the main board either, and this doesn't seem to have large performance penalties.

Perhaps it impacts size, manufacturing (automation) and money considerations. I mean now you suddenly need a slot of golden plated pins, you suddenly need a module with said pins and a memory chip soldered. You're introducing so much steps and complexity (thus expense) there for net negative.

I know that people like to argue "but I can't upgrade RAM". Yes. But as we see here not impossible. Your car also needs some effort to change some parts and perhaps even more effort compared to resoldering some chips at a shop that knows how-to.

Re: RTX 2080 Ti Memory Upgrade to 22 GB

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HN crowd is treating this as some sort of sorcery. Meanwhile it's just everyday business in China. People send their laptops or graphic cards with soldered RAM and get the device back with double RAM/vRAM. "Brother Zhang" is one of those who operate such a shop: https://youtu.be/TcRGBeOENLg Had such services been more available in the US, I would not have needed to sell a laptop that had 8GM RAM and could no longer h…

I wonder whether (without soldering) replaceable GDDR RAM on graphics cards would really result in such a large speed penalty. System memory often isn't soldered to the main board either, and this doesn't seem to have large performance penalties.

The RAM in your desktop could run at much higher frequencies if it were soldered. The RAM the M5 Macbooks use runs at 9600 mbps. The base spec for DDR5 is 4800, and I rarely see people running at much higher than 6000. There's probably someone who's gotten a 9600 mbps overclock running on their desktop, but it's unatainable for a normal consumer outside of machines with soldered RAM.

Re: RTX 2080 Ti Memory Upgrade to 22 GB

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder whether (without soldering) replaceable GDDR RAM on graphics cards would really result in such a large speed penalty. System memory often isn't soldered to the main board either, and this doesn't seem to have large performance penalties.

The RAM in your desktop could run at much higher frequencies if it were soldered. The RAM the M5 Macbooks use runs at 9600 mbps. The base spec for DDR5 is 4800, and I rarely see people running at much higher than 6000. There's probably someone who's gotten a 9600 mbps overclock running on their desktop, but it's unatainable for a normal consumer outside of machines with soldered RAM.

This doesn't explain why non-soldered RAM isn't okay for graphics cards when it is still considered perfectly acceptable for desktop computers.

Re: RTX 2080 Ti Memory Upgrade to 22 GB

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder whether (without soldering) replaceable GDDR RAM on graphics cards would really result in such a large speed penalty. System memory often isn't soldered to the main board either, and this doesn't seem to have large performance penalties.

Perhaps it impacts size, manufacturing (automation) and money considerations. I mean now you suddenly need a slot of golden plated pins, you suddenly need a module with said pins and a memory chip soldered. You're introducing so much steps and complexity (thus expense) there for net negative. I know that people like to argue "but I can't upgrade RAM". Yes. But as we see here not impossible. Your car also needs some e…

> Perhaps it impacts size, manufacturing (automation) and money considerations. I mean now you suddenly need a slot of golden plated pins, you suddenly need a module with said pins and a memory chip soldered. You're introducing so much steps and complexity (thus expense) there for net negative.

How is this relevant when the same point applies to system RAM?

Re: RTX 2080 Ti Memory Upgrade to 22 GB

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HN crowd is treating this as some sort of sorcery. Meanwhile it's just everyday business in China. People send their laptops or graphic cards with soldered RAM and get the device back with double RAM/vRAM. "Brother Zhang" is one of those who operate such a shop: https://youtu.be/TcRGBeOENLg Had such services been more available in the US, I would not have needed to sell a laptop that had 8GM RAM and could no longer h…

HN crowd is treating this as some sort of sorcery, you can do it at home with a $60 hot air station.

The only thing approaching "secret sauce" is the BIOS modding, which varies in difficulty depending on the device. For many devices it's just a case of reconfiguring strap resistors.

Re: RTX 2080 Ti Memory Upgrade to 22 GB

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The RAM in your desktop could run at much higher frequencies if it were soldered. The RAM the M5 Macbooks use runs at 9600 mbps. The base spec for DDR5 is 4800, and I rarely see people running at much higher than 6000. There's probably someone who's gotten a 9600 mbps overclock running on their desktop, but it's unatainable for a normal consumer outside of machines with soldered RAM.

This doesn't explain why non-soldered RAM isn't okay for graphics cards when it is still considered perfectly acceptable for desktop computers.

Because GPUs have had it soldered since the beginning, while desktops have had it slotted since (close to) the beginning. There are some exceptions to that rule, but it mostly holds.

Not to mention that the bar of acceptibility is moving. We had RAM in slots in laptops for a long while, but it's (not so) slowly going away. You can still find laptops with SO-DIMMs, but it's not a given anymore.

Re: RTX 2080 Ti Memory Upgrade to 22 GB

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HN crowd is treating this as some sort of sorcery. Meanwhile it's just everyday business in China. People send their laptops or graphic cards with soldered RAM and get the device back with double RAM/vRAM. "Brother Zhang" is one of those who operate such a shop: https://youtu.be/TcRGBeOENLg Had such services been more available in the US, I would not have needed to sell a laptop that had 8GM RAM and could no longer h…

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Re: RTX 2080 Ti Memory Upgrade to 22 GB

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HN crowd is treating this as some sort of sorcery. Meanwhile it's just everyday business in China. People send their laptops or graphic cards with soldered RAM and get the device back with double RAM/vRAM. "Brother Zhang" is one of those who operate such a shop: https://youtu.be/TcRGBeOENLg Had such services been more available in the US, I would not have needed to sell a laptop that had 8GM RAM and could no longer h…

HN crowd is treating this as some sort of sorcery, you can do it at home with a $60 hot air station. The only thing approaching "secret sauce" is the BIOS modding, which varies in difficulty depending on the device. For many devices it's just a case of reconfiguring strap resistors.

Yeah a $60 hot air station may be enough, assuming you have all the consumables and chips. This isn't something even the average techie will risk trying.
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