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Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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I know some of the younger folk may not realise reality is stranger than fiction, but I too have been on a "work mandated drink alchohol bus" where I remember even though I was young, I was terrified the whole time wondering why we were being forced to drink infront of C suite; forced on a hell ride through the black country ( Thats a region in England).

One might think it was naive and odd for me as a young autistic person to be so scared and negative, but sure enough, the next day the best contractor in the company was fired at 9am for calling the CEO an "alright c*nt" during the pub crawl.

The C word being used a token of affection around these parts, was perhaps not the true transgression which was, not to understand, that it was NOT a social function, but a horrifying legal flexing of soft hierarchical power, for purposes of satiating C suite ego, and humiliating everyone beneath them.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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I think “retreat” is used pretty colloquially and doesn’t imply pseudo-therapy.

From the article: > “Vulnerability-Trust exercise” From your parent comment: > the facilitator tried to get to the bottom of tensions between the CTO and head of sales I was referring specifically to these sorts of things. Retreat doesn't always include this, but sometimes it does, and when it does it's a stupid idea.

"Retreat doesn't always include this, but sometimes it does, and when it does it's a stupid idea."

Unless maybe done by professionals?

I never have been to one such retreat, but I know human conflicts and I know what difference it can make, if skilled people can mediate.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Offsite retreats seem like a bad idea in general, I've never been to one where I felt the team or company worked together better afterwards, and I've seen some spectacularly bad results... like the time the facilitator tried to get to the bottom of tensions between the CTO and head of sales (the classic problem of "Engineering isn't shipping features fast enough" and "Sales is selling features before even consulting…

We have one annually for my company. It's at a casino, with a few scheduled meals and some activities (video game room, trivia done by a professional company). It's voluntary and employees are allowed to bring their spouse. I think it helps a lot with communication, especially since we are a distributed team and most peoplr don't see each other. But it's hard for me to know for sure, no one tells the owners the truth…

> I think most people think of it as a free vacation.

I'm shocked that someone does NOT think so!

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Your company, your coworkers, are not your friends. HR is not there for you, it's to protect the company from you. Do not disclose personal information to those who control your livelihood. Once you leave or if you build up a personal relationship with a coworker, outside of work, then maybe. Even still. I will never divulge what I have been through simply because corporate wants to be "inclusive".

This is a recipe for a sad life. It's avoiding friendship for the fear of betrayal. You get a lot of benefits by being good friends with colleagues. There are, however important things to be aware of: 1- "Though shall not" limit their social life to their colleagues (or any single group that can disappear with a divorce, change of jobs, or hobby, maybe because of an incident). 2- "Though shall not" blindly help peopl…

You seem to contradict yourself, or at least actually support the OP's point. If you don't define yourself with your job, but have other self-identities outside, there is nothing sad about having different takes to the amount of personal information shared in various circles.

Extending on that, I do not agree with "do not define yourself with your job". Why not? It's a big, if not biggest, part of almost everyone's life. What's bad is defining yourself with your job ALONE. Psychological safety comes from having multiple self-identities: be an engineer at work, a volunteer on weekends, amateur radio enthusiast on Thursdays nights, or whatever, and don't mix those!

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Offsite retreats seem like a bad idea in general, I've never been to one where I felt the team or company worked together better afterwards, and I've seen some spectacularly bad results... like the time the facilitator tried to get to the bottom of tensions between the CTO and head of sales (the classic problem of "Engineering isn't shipping features fast enough" and "Sales is selling features before even consulting…

My experience is that its usually good for communications and cooperation, but not nearly as helpful as management envision.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

#276

Offsite retreats seem like a bad idea in general, I've never been to one where I felt the team or company worked together better afterwards, and I've seen some spectacularly bad results... like the time the facilitator tried to get to the bottom of tensions between the CTO and head of sales (the classic problem of "Engineering isn't shipping features fast enough" and "Sales is selling features before even consulting…

> classic problem of "Engineering isn't shipping features fast enough" and "Sales is selling features before even consulting with engineering"

That's not a problem, in the sense that there was never any possible debate: if I make a promise on your behalf, I am a di*k.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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I cannot see this ending up well for Netflix. It sounds like it personally offended someone's sensibility and they decided to fire the guy. I expect Netflix to lose this lawsuit, but more importantly, settle it before it ever goes anywhere.

And don't forget the effect on employee morale, retention and hiring. They have now made the international news cycle for firing an employee for sharing after being encouraged to share, and doing a party trick after being encouraged by coworkers to do so

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Good riddance. A “work-life balance kind of person” is not a negative characteristic; even more so at a position where your behavior is an inspiration to many people

Well, I live in India. “Being available” and making others do the same is the national managerial obsession.

People should reject this mentality and live their life.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

#279

I know some of the younger folk may not realise reality is stranger than fiction, but I too have been on a "work mandated drink alchohol bus" where I remember even though I was young, I was terrified the whole time wondering why we were being forced to drink infront of C suite; forced on a hell ride through the black country ( Thats a region in England). One might think it was naive and odd for me as a young autistic…

UK had the most unhinged work drinking culture I had ever seen.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because at some point their emails about the firing will be subpoenaed, and if they lie about it now it's going to bite them harder later.

That's why we got training at Google that more or less told us not to put these kinds of things in writing. Remember: the e in e-mail stands for evidence.

"Remember: the e in e-mail stands for evidence."

Were you told this literally?

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