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Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Post by gspr »

Johnny555 wrote: post #57

Offsite retreats seem like a bad idea in general, I've never been to one where I felt the team or company worked together better afterwards, and I've seen some spectacularly bad results... like the time the facilitator tried to get to the bottom of tensions between the CTO and head of sales (the classic problem of "Engineering isn't shipping features fast enough" and "Sales is selling features before even consulting…

Works well where I work. Some ground rules to help are:

* Do the bulk during work hours.

* Be 100% accepting of people who don't wanna spend free time on it. Or compensate.

* Add in loads of general fun.

* Let the employees be in charge of what constitutes fun.

* Go light on the actual work.

* Plan well ahead, respect people's own schedules.

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Post by xyzsparetimexyz »

wxw wrote: post #159

> He had been warned during his performance review that he should “drop one or two less f-bombs but don’t stop entirely.” > It goes on to say that at the same retreat Baillie drank a Guinness standing on his head, after sharing that he had learned the trick from his former father in law during a conversation inspired by the trust session. > “His colleague immediately asked for a demonstration, rather than withhold th…

This guy rocks. Fired for being fun

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Post by happymellon »

ksenzee wrote: post #185
8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't bring your whole self to work, the rest of us don't need that from you. Be polite, congenial and professional. You have the rest of your day to let it rip however you'd like.

Maybe not your whole self, but I'd like the people I work with to feel safe talking about their family, their disabilities, their religion, their culture or subculture, the things they love doing, whatever makes them human.

I really don't want to hear about your religion, and I don't want to see your Jesus Loves You gifs posted to the all tech Slack channel.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Post by finnthehuman »

ksenzee wrote: post #185
8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't bring your whole self to work, the rest of us don't need that from you. Be polite, congenial and professional. You have the rest of your day to let it rip however you'd like.

Maybe not your whole self, but I'd like the people I work with to feel safe talking about their family, their disabilities, their religion, their culture or subculture, the things they love doing, whatever makes them human.

>I'd like the people I work with to feel safe talking about their family, their disabilities, their religion, their culture or subculture

Yes, you want to feel like the people around you feel safe to share it. Everyone with things that are uncomfortable to hear have learned that they're not. They know the polite fiction to talk around it and make you feel like they're open. They're not.

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Post by lostlogin »

Johnny555 wrote: post #57

Offsite retreats seem like a bad idea in general, I've never been to one where I felt the team or company worked together better afterwards, and I've seen some spectacularly bad results... like the time the facilitator tried to get to the bottom of tensions between the CTO and head of sales (the classic problem of "Engineering isn't shipping features fast enough" and "Sales is selling features before even consulting…

Film it and you have a Netflix series. It sounds better than most reality TV.

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Post by aljgz »

kunley wrote: post #235
aljgz wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a recipe for a sad life. It's avoiding friendship for the fear of betrayal. You get a lot of benefits by being good friends with colleagues. There are, however important things to be aware of: 1- "Though shall not" limit their social life to their colleagues (or any single group that can disappear with a divorce, change of jobs, or hobby, maybe because of an incident). 2- "Though shall not" blindly help peopl…

Disagree. It's just admitting that the company can and will be cynical when it comes to the conflict of interests between them and the employee. Making friends at the workplace is fine until there is such conflict, then where will they stand? If they will turn they back on you (and most of them will), then how much is such relation worth in the first place?

How's that different from friends at your sports club? How does the risk of your workplace friends not taking your side balance against the benefit of the possibility that they will support you?

Should I give up years of joy and sense of community and belonging for the fear that someday my workplace friends will betray me? And then years more of suffering in my next workplace?

A strategy that minimizes risk rarely maximizes reward.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Post by icepush »

ksenzee wrote: post #185
8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't bring your whole self to work, the rest of us don't need that from you. Be polite, congenial and professional. You have the rest of your day to let it rip however you'd like.

Maybe not your whole self, but I'd like the people I work with to feel safe talking about their family, their disabilities, their religion, their culture or subculture, the things they love doing, whatever makes them human.

Why are there people that want this in the office? Don't want this.

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Post by aljgz »

ricksunny wrote: post #209
aljgz wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a recipe for a sad life. It's avoiding friendship for the fear of betrayal. You get a lot of benefits by being good friends with colleagues. There are, however important things to be aware of: 1- "Though shall not" limit their social life to their colleagues (or any single group that can disappear with a divorce, change of jobs, or hobby, maybe because of an incident). 2- "Though shall not" blindly help peopl…

#2 I believe that there is at least one entire culture on the planet that comports itself this way, whose emergent macro outcomes can be debated.

Interesting... Can you elaborate? I did not get the reference.

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Post by itake »

Johnny555 wrote: post #57

Offsite retreats seem like a bad idea in general, I've never been to one where I felt the team or company worked together better afterwards, and I've seen some spectacularly bad results... like the time the facilitator tried to get to the bottom of tensions between the CTO and head of sales (the classic problem of "Engineering isn't shipping features fast enough" and "Sales is selling features before even consulting…

I worked remotely with only seeing my team a few times per year. During our last offsite, I looked around the 80+ person room and realized that I just don't enjoy working with any of these people.
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