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How is the Bun rewrite in Rust going?

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Re: How is the Bun rewrite in Rust going?

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Post by nozzlegear »

famouswaffles wrote: post #358
seanclayton wrote: post #303

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If a machine made to do language things in this day and age having trillions of dollars invested in doing language, I am not shocked at all that a trillion dollar language machine translates programming languages. It really is not surprising to me. I'd be surprised if a trillion dollar language machine doesn't do as fundamental a linguistic capability as translation. It's like being shocked that a language machine sp…

There is no trillion dollar language machine and pouring lots of money into something doesn't mean anything.

Then what the hell are Anthropic and OpenAI doing with all that money?

Re: How is the Bun rewrite in Rust going?

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Post by tomlockwood »

inglor wrote: post #343
tomlockwood wrote: post #196

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Author here: I don't need or want another Bun release or an NPM release or anything like that. Like I very clearly say in the article I just got chatting with a peer about the Bun rewrite and I decided to take a look. I'm consistently skeptical about new tech whether it is NoSQL or Blockchain or Serverless. Some of the things I'm skeptical about fail and some succeed.

The bun Port is a phenomenal engineering achievement that would have taken a team of people over a year or two to deliver previously - look at the TypeScript port for example (and they had llms). The fact it's taking a while to release is still insanely fast. I'm sure they may be some bumps. Being skeptical is good and some stuff succeeds and some doesn't - but building tools is still fun and cool, whether it's usefu…

Yeah if you want you can check out my github page to see some tool failures. Nobody is hyping those up, though.

Re: How is the Bun rewrite in Rust going?

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Post by tomlockwood »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #367
tomlockwood wrote: post #196

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Author here: I don't need or want another Bun release or an NPM release or anything like that. Like I very clearly say in the article I just got chatting with a peer about the Bun rewrite and I decided to take a look. I'm consistently skeptical about new tech whether it is NoSQL or Blockchain or Serverless. Some of the things I'm skeptical about fail and some succeed.

The problem is what you’re skeptical about, the true cost, is probably the least important part. Did it really cost $1 million instead of the 150k that’s been floating around? If you don’t like the price now just give it some time. The point is that these kind of heroics can actually work now and they’re only going to get cheaper. I don’t mean to sound negative about what you wrote, it was an interesting read.

Personally I think the cost does matter.

Re: How is the Bun rewrite in Rust going?

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Post by LtWorf »

benjiro29 wrote: post #41

I really do not understand how software developer think anymore. Using a LLM to translate a project in a short time, is by itself incredible. Just like one-shot whatever office clone. But what makes software is not the fast creation of a "product" but that actual development of its features. Figuring out how everything needs to work together, fixing the bugs, and the o so boring UI work. I have used LLMs to create st…

As I understand it, bun was already vibe coded so nothing of value was lost in vibe porting it to a different language.

Re: How is the Bun rewrite in Rust going?

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Post by dzhar11 »

maleldil wrote: post #264
dzhar11 wrote: post #203

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Jarred, thank you for working on Bun. Many "vibe coded" :D projects start strong and are later abandoned (like potentially Anthropic C), so I understand why people worry about Bun's future. I hope Bun lasts for many years, like GCC. Bun is fast and great to use.

Anthropic's C compiler was a proof of concept[1], so it makes sense that it was abandoned. [1] What it actually proved is up for debate.

The issue is that the Claude's C Compiler repository does not explicitly identify the project as a proof of concept. It was largely produced by one person directing Claude, and Bun's Rust rewrite also seems to have been driven by roughly one person using Claude Code. That similarity is what worries me. Bun's rewrite could also turn out to be proof of concept.

Re: How is the Bun rewrite in Rust going?

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Post by famouswaffles »

nozzlegear wrote: post #381
famouswaffles wrote: post #358

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There is no trillion dollar language machine and pouring lots of money into something doesn't mean anything.

Then what the hell are Anthropic and OpenAI doing with all that money?

Building datacenters to run the machines for hundreds of millions of people. And Open AI/Anthropic aren't working with trillions in any case.

Re: How is the Bun rewrite in Rust going?

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Post by culi »

marcins wrote: post #371
bentocorp wrote: post #369

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Ok, so you've just admitted that you have deployed thousands of lines of likely non-human reviewed LLM generated code (Bun's rust rewrite) to millions of client machines (via the Claude Code app auto-update) with significant local client access credentials, in a relatively quick and rushed manner. What's stopping the LLM from having unscrupulously injected something nefarious into the codebase that you are unaware of…

Claude Code has been written with Claude Code for a long time - that ship has long sailed.

Is that why Claude Code is buggy as hell?

Re: How is the Bun rewrite in Rust going?

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Post by pjmlp »

marcins wrote: post #371
bentocorp wrote: post #369

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Ok, so you've just admitted that you have deployed thousands of lines of likely non-human reviewed LLM generated code (Bun's rust rewrite) to millions of client machines (via the Claude Code app auto-update) with significant local client access credentials, in a relatively quick and rushed manner. What's stopping the LLM from having unscrupulously injected something nefarious into the codebase that you are unaware of…

Claude Code has been written with Claude Code for a long time - that ship has long sailed.

Apparently it isn't good enough to generate native clients though, like many humans everything is Web tech.

Re: How is the Bun rewrite in Rust going?

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Post by jamesfinlayson »

achenet wrote: post #223
wesselbindt wrote: post #219

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In Dutch there's a saying, "wij van wc eend adviseren wc eend", and it fits perfectly.

Frenchman here, I Google Translated that and it says "We at WC Duck recommend WC Duck"... I'm left scratching my head, if you'd care to spell out what the saying means for non-Dutch I'd appreciate it :)

I probably should have figured part of it out from my basic German, but I guess the Dutch don't capitalise nouns?

Re: How is the Bun rewrite in Rust going?

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Post by swiftcoder »

busterarm wrote: post #325
swiftcoder wrote: post #311

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> a lot tend to work hard early and then for various reasons taper off And you don’t think that has anything to do with incentives (or lack thereof)? > I've never been about comparing myself to others Doesn’t have to be about comparing oneself to others. More about the cost of living increasing because software engineering salaries are rising around you…

> And you don’t think that has anything to do with incentives (or lack thereof)? No, that's almost never it. It's mostly life circumstances, burnout, frustration with management, etc. > More about the cost of living increasing because software engineering salaries are rising around you… We're already talking about very well-paid software engineers here. Appealing to a sense of sympathy over cost of living concerns of…

> It's mostly life circumstances, burnout, frustration with management, etc

I feel like all of those things are assuaged by more money, and not having to spend half your time job hunting...

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